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Re: HE - usable?

Fri, 02 March 2007 05:05

Carn

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iztok wrote on Thu, 01 March 2007 22:05

Hi!

Carn wrote on Thu, 01 March 2007 14:36

HE pays more for better facs

That I didn't know at the time of race creation. IMO even now that would not matter much. That's just the price of playing HE.

iztok wrote on Thu, 01 March 2007 22:05

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so it makes more sense to drop cost to 8 and check g before taking efficiency above 12 or number above 16.

We're talking about HE here, with it's planets half the size of normal. Checking g box with 1100 factories operated would lower the germanium cost for one maxxed planet by 1100kT - that's not even a full LF. Also, the tech was slow, so I wanted more speed AND good capacity. Speed I intended to get with more pop, capacity with good factories.

If you pay 4 g per fac, you need to build 33% more mines, that will affect speed. Also the amount of factories you build will roughly be similar to a normal race, so the total amount of germ saved will be similar.
Now if you are right, and a HE has with same mine settings less minerals than a normal race, this makes checked for a HE even more attractive.

iztok wrote on Thu, 01 March 2007 22:05

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That way you save points and get more and faster facs for the same germ.

Hrm... 30 RW points saved when going from 14/9/x to 13/8/x, gaining 4.4% in ramp-up speed and losing 7.7% on capacity doesn't seem to me like an excellent deal.

The gain in ramp up speed is far higher, as your pop will build a lot of factories. Ask yourself, why does anyone use for non HE 12/8/16 if 13/9/16 is just 7 points more expensive?

iztok wrote on Thu, 01 March 2007 22:05

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e.g. 13/8/19/checked/12/3/15 is faster building facs and mines, has more germ shortterm(10 k pop produces 20% less minerals, but needs 30% less germ) and has more minerals long term.

Costing 35RW points more like my settings, losing 3 mines (when I already complained about that) and 13.3% on capacity and saving 1045kT of germ per planet again doesn't seem to me like a good bargain. Mine efficiency 1.2 is s

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