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Re: All the Simple Races

Wed, 11 November 2015 15:00

Anonymous Coward

Gentlemen, I shall take the liberty to remind you that this ruleset was used with success two times already. kicks is referring to his game as the first one, which is not correct - he was playing the second one, hosted by nmid. The first Simple game was hosted by XAPBob. Lqdtr and I were both playing in that first game.
I suggest we don't change this ruleset unless there's a good reason behind such a change. I also concur with Lqdtr that we should not allow communication - this kind of game is not really lending itself well to diplomacy.

Now, to address specific bulletpoints by iztok:
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HyperGrowth races are rather hard to play properly. Beginners will have problems.

I'd say it all starts with designing a race that is comfortable to play. Anyone can throw together a race along the HG guidelines, but making it fly the way you want is a challenge if you make mistakes during design, or you don't fine-tune your race in playtesting.
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With most races HyperGrowth will AR PRT have a hard time to survive. OTOH 45 planets per player might alleviate this a bit.

Depends on how aggressive the AR actually is. Higher PGR ARs with good hab can spread rather quickly, and keep up with research in order to keep its starbases safe from surprise attacks. With 45 planets per player, this should be easy enough even for less aggressive ARs.
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With limited factories and mines and no immunities is HE PRT severely crippled.

I beg to differ. HE, with its double PGR, needs only wide enough hab to make up for its half productivity. When all races cannot modify mines and factories too much, colonists make up for most economy anyway.
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Max 12 mines operated makes Remote Mining LRT a bit more viable, but "low-ish" resource output of planets doesn't really need lots of minerals.

HG usually don't need more than 12-13 mines per 1k colonists anyway. Wider habs and lower consumption should make it well enough.
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45 planets per player will require a lot of MM, esp. when wars will start.

Assuming most players get to settle this many planets. Some empires will inevitably end up cramped between more aggressive neighbours and won't use their full potential.

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		All the Simple Races By: kicks on Sun, 08 November 2015 10:04
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Floater on Mon, 09 November 2015 07:40
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Lqdtr on Tue, 10 November 2015 03:50
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Anonymous Coward on Tue, 10 November 2015 05:54
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Floater on Tue, 10 November 2015 07:26
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Anonymous Coward on Tue, 10 November 2015 08:34
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Floater on Tue, 10 November 2015 10:36
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Anonymous Coward on Tue, 10 November 2015 15:23
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Fabrice on Tue, 10 November 2015 18:04
		Re: All the Simple Races By: iztok on Wed, 11 November 2015 07:58
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Lqdtr on Wed, 11 November 2015 12:54
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Floater on Wed, 11 November 2015 08:20
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Anonymous Coward on Wed, 11 November 2015 15:00
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Anonymous Coward on Wed, 11 November 2015 17:18
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Floater on Wed, 11 November 2015 17:37
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Lqdtr on Thu, 12 November 2015 00:43
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Anonymous Coward on Thu, 12 November 2015 02:40
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Floater on Thu, 12 November 2015 14:02
		Re: All the Simple Races By: LittleEddie on Thu, 12 November 2015 19:00
		Re: All the Simple Races By: nitrah on Mon, 16 November 2015 09:58
		Re: All the Simple Races By: bretter on Mon, 16 November 2015 23:39
		Re: All the Simple Races By: kicks on Tue, 17 November 2015 18:29
		Re: All the Simple Races By: kicks on Tue, 17 November 2015 18:33
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Lqdtr on Tue, 17 November 2015 23:59
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Floater on Wed, 18 November 2015 07:23
		Re: All the Simple Races By: nitrah on Wed, 18 November 2015 10:31
		Re: All the Simple Races By: kicks on Wed, 18 November 2015 17:39
		Re: All the Simple Races By: LittleEddie on Wed, 18 November 2015 18:00
		Re: All the Simple Races By: kicks on Thu, 19 November 2015 18:08
		Re: All the Simple Races By: nmid on Fri, 20 November 2015 10:31
		Re: All the Simple Races By: kicks on Fri, 20 November 2015 16:20
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Hank on Sat, 21 November 2015 08:37
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Anonymous Coward on Sat, 21 November 2015 15:15
		Re: All the Simple Races By: LittleEddie on Sat, 21 November 2015 19:06
		Re: All the Simple Races By: DarthStar on Sun, 29 November 2015 03:49
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Anonymous Coward on Thu, 19 November 2015 06:45
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Anonymous Coward on Mon, 23 November 2015 05:59
		Re: All the Simple Races By: DarthStar on Wed, 25 November 2015 05:49
		Re: All the Simple Races By: iztok on Wed, 25 November 2015 09:43
		Re: All the Simple Races By: nitrah on Thu, 03 December 2015 10:06
		Re: All the Simple Races By: kicks on Thu, 26 November 2015 18:17
		Re: All the Simple Races By: nitrah on Sun, 29 November 2015 08:30
		Re: All the Simple Races By: XAPBob on Mon, 30 November 2015 08:37
		Re: All the Simple Races By: kicks on Mon, 30 November 2015 14:06
		Re: All the Simple Races By: DarthStar on Mon, 30 November 2015 18:15
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Fabrice on Tue, 01 December 2015 18:09
		Re: All the Simple Races By: nitrah on Wed, 02 December 2015 09:32
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Floater on Wed, 02 December 2015 09:55
		Re: All the Simple Races By: nitrah on Wed, 02 December 2015 10:03
		Re: All the Simple Races By: kicks on Wed, 02 December 2015 12:30
		Re: All the Simple Races By: kicks on Sun, 06 December 2015 03:29
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Hank on Wed, 02 December 2015 14:36
		Re: All the Simple Races By: DarthStar on Thu, 03 December 2015 07:19
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Anonymous Coward on Thu, 03 December 2015 10:03
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Floater on Thu, 03 December 2015 16:00
		Re: All the Simple Races By: nitrah on Thu, 03 December 2015 18:29
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Anonymous Coward on Fri, 04 December 2015 02:47
		Re: All the Simple Races By: DarthStar on Fri, 04 December 2015 06:04
		Re: All the Simple Races By: nitrah on Fri, 04 December 2015 08:30
		Re: All the Simple Races By: kicks on Fri, 04 December 2015 11:22
		Re: All the Simple Races By: DarthStar on Fri, 04 December 2015 17:14
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Hank on Fri, 04 December 2015 20:58
		Re: All the Simple Races By: iztok on Fri, 25 December 2015 14:29
		Re: All the Simple Races By: DarthStar on Sat, 26 December 2015 22:51
		Re: All the Simple Races By: dlrichert on Mon, 28 December 2015 03:41
		Re: All the Simple Races By: iztok on Tue, 29 December 2015 05:19
		Re: All the Simple Races By: kicks on Fri, 08 January 2016 04:06
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Lqdtr on Sat, 05 December 2015 09:31
		Re: All the Simple Races By: kicks on Sat, 05 December 2015 09:57
		Re: All the Simple Races By: kicks on Sat, 05 December 2015 12:41
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Anonymous Coward on Sat, 05 December 2015 16:03
		Re: All the Simple Races By: LittleEddie on Mon, 07 December 2015 16:33
		Re: All the Simple Races By: kicks on Tue, 08 December 2015 15:25
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Anonymous Coward on Tue, 08 December 2015 01:30
		Re: All the Simple Races By: DarthStar on Tue, 08 December 2015 05:36
		Re: All the Simple Races By: LittleEddie on Tue, 08 December 2015 15:42
		Re: All the Simple Races By: dlrichert on Wed, 09 December 2015 15:26
		Re: All the Simple Races By: kicks on Thu, 10 December 2015 04:56
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Anonymous Coward on Thu, 10 December 2015 05:16
		Re: All the Simple Races By: DarthStar on Thu, 10 December 2015 05:37
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Anonymous Coward on Thu, 10 December 2015 07:01
		Re: All the Simple Races By: DarthStar on Thu, 10 December 2015 08:10
		Re: All the Simple Races By: iztok on Fri, 11 December 2015 15:35
		Re: All the Simple Races By: dlrichert on Thu, 10 December 2015 20:36
		Re: All the Simple Races By: nitrah on Thu, 10 December 2015 10:04
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Lqdtr on Sat, 12 December 2015 00:39
		Re: All the Simple Races By: dlrichert on Sat, 12 December 2015 01:20
		Re: All the Simple Races By: bklooste2 on Sun, 13 December 2015 02:01
		Re: All the Simple Races By: nitrah on Mon, 14 December 2015 12:36
		Re: All the Simple Races By: kicks on Mon, 14 December 2015 16:55
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Anonymous Coward on Thu, 17 December 2015 16:47
		Re: All the Simple Races By: iztok on Thu, 17 December 2015 17:31
		Re: All the Simple Races By: dlrichert on Thu, 17 December 2015 22:12
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Floater on Fri, 18 December 2015 16:24
		Re: All the Simple Races By: bklooste2 on Sat, 19 December 2015 02:30
		Re: All the Simple Races By: kicks on Sat, 19 December 2015 09:50
		Re: All the Simple Races By: dlrichert on Sat, 19 December 2015 17:04
		Re: All the Simple Races By: kicks on Sun, 20 December 2015 05:02
		Re: All the Simple Races By: dlrichert on Sun, 20 December 2015 12:53
		Re: All the Simple Races By: iztok on Tue, 22 December 2015 06:10
		Re: All the Simple Races By: iztok on Tue, 22 December 2015 13:50
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Anonymous Coward on Fri, 08 January 2016 04:48
		Re: All the Simple Races By: dlrichert on Fri, 08 January 2016 11:59
		Re: All the Simple Races By: iztok on Sat, 09 January 2016 04:59
		Re: All the Simple Races By: kicks on Sat, 09 January 2016 11:26
		Re: All the Simple Races By: dlrichert on Sat, 09 January 2016 15:35
		Re: All the Simple Races By: iztok on Sun, 10 January 2016 05:33
		Re: All the Simple Races By: dlrichert on Sun, 10 January 2016 12:46
		Re: All the Simple Races By: iztok on Sat, 16 January 2016 16:36
		Re: All the Simple Races By: LittleEddie on Sat, 16 January 2016 16:39
		Re: All the Simple Races By: dlrichert on Sat, 16 January 2016 18:36
		Re: All the Simple Races By: DarthStar on Sun, 17 January 2016 03:19
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Hank on Sun, 17 January 2016 08:37
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Anonymous Coward on Sun, 17 January 2016 15:07
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Floater on Sun, 17 January 2016 17:51
		Re: All the Simple Races By: nitrah on Mon, 18 January 2016 00:21
		Re: All the Simple Races By: iztok on Mon, 18 January 2016 16:41
		Re: All the Simple Races By: nitrah on Tue, 19 January 2016 12:05
		Re: All the Simple Races By: dlrichert on Tue, 19 January 2016 15:15
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Altruist on Tue, 19 January 2016 21:38
		Re: All the Simple Races By: iztok on Wed, 20 January 2016 08:05
		Re: All the Simple Races By: iztok on Thu, 21 January 2016 17:06
		Re: All the Simple Races By: iztok on Thu, 21 January 2016 17:18
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Anonymous Coward on Tue, 19 January 2016 12:13
		Re: All the Simple Races By: iztok on Tue, 19 January 2016 14:05
		Re: All the Simple Races By: nitrah on Thu, 21 January 2016 17:23
		Re: All the Simple Races By: dlrichert on Thu, 21 January 2016 23:20
		Re: All the Simple Races By: iztok on Sun, 24 January 2016 16:26
		Re: All the Simple Races By: iztok on Mon, 25 January 2016 03:09
		Re: All the Simple Races By: DarthStar on Mon, 25 January 2016 07:02
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Raindancer on Mon, 25 January 2016 07:20
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Raindancer on Mon, 25 January 2016 07:27
		Re: All the Simple Races By: iztok on Mon, 25 January 2016 13:51
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Floater on Mon, 25 January 2016 14:35
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Anonymous Coward on Tue, 26 January 2016 11:26
		Re: All the Simple Races By: kicks on Sun, 07 February 2016 12:38
		Re: All the Simple Races By: dlrichert on Sun, 07 February 2016 14:09
		Re: All the Simple Races By: kicks on Sun, 07 February 2016 16:07
		Re: All the Simple Races By: DarthStar on Wed, 10 February 2016 06:37
		Re: All the Simple Races By: Hank on Wed, 10 February 2016 07:59
		Re: All the Simple Races By: iztok on Thu, 11 February 2016 05:50
		Re: All the Simple Races By: iztok on Mon, 22 February 2016 02:23
		Re: All the Simple Races By: kicks on Fri, 26 February 2016 17:08
		Re: All the Simple Races By: nitrah on Tue, 01 March 2016 18:53

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