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Re: Another beginner game Mon, 22 October 2012 07:39 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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magic9mushroom wrote on Mon, 22 October 2012 10:51
It does depend very much on the -f in question. -f IS can get away with almost anything because of their orgy overpop

True, especially if said -f IS has 20% growth (which means in-freighter growth of 10%).
magic9mushroom wrote on Mon, 22 October 2012 10:51
and if your -f is faster in economy as well as military (20% growth, bigger breeders, maybe faster ships), you'll be able to grab a bigger slice of the pie, and with wider hab and instant greenlines you can compete effectively.

True as well - assuming you don't run out of planets to expand, and can take out anyone standing in your way. Such 20% PGR -f IS is about the only type of race I can think of that would meet these conditions - it can literally out-colonize anyone, no matter how big the galaxy is.
magic9mushroom wrote on Mon, 22 October 2012 10:51
Tenderfoot, a game with 9 players in a medium dense, was won by a -f SS who used that space to outgrow everyone.

Most probably due to the fact that Tenderfoot was not slow-tech, and the galaxy was medium (which makes just a 400 l.y. worth of square edge per player). In these setting, a really aggressive -f can indeed grab space and devour the others relatively quickly. Oh, and you forgot to mention who played that particular race Smile
magic9mushroom wrote on Mon, 22 October 2012 10:51
The lack of AccBBS, on the other hand, and the requirement of weapons expensive, *is* a fatal blow to -f. You need factory compounding in those ~10 years of homeworld growth, and those cheap techs mean a lot less if you still have to crunch expensive weapons before you can attack.

Especially the former. The basic thing is that any race that draws resources from colonist growth (which means -f, and some HGs, most notably quickstarters) gets a significant economical headstart under AccBBS - one that HP races don't get. Uncheck the AccBBS... and hey presto, this headstart is gone. The expensive Weapons tech is secondary to this - it slows everyone's progress in Weapons, which means that -f must work harder to create (and maintain) an edge in Weapons, that is necessary in these early wars all -f have on their agenda from the get-go. Combined with slow-tech, it makes these early wars so much less attractive that waging them becomes pointless (you try to bite while your teeth aren't fully grown yet).
Therefore I said in my very first post in the thread that this game would favour HPs.

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