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Re: Another beginner game

Tue, 02 October 2012 09:38

magic9mushroom

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loucipher wrote on Tue, 02 October 2012 23:04

Or for anyone else, for that matter IMHO, BET does one significant thing - slows the use of advanced designs somewhat (you have to outrun the requirements to avoid paying double price) and discourages use of top-drawer technology overall (for the same reason, plus the 26-level ones will always be double-price). It could also help those with mineral/resource crunch (due to better miniaturization), but the effect is IMHO too small to be of importance.

Basically, my point is that BET makes con cheap less attractive. The really nice thing about cheap con is that it saves you ~800k resources leaping from BBs to Nubs, so you get there earlier. With BET, Nubs are a lot less attractive, so the highest level of Con that's absolutely necessary is 14 (for cheap battleships) and so you'll spend a lot less resources on it.

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This one I'd like to see elaborated on.

...Well, AR benefits more from not having AccBBS than HP, IMHO. The lesser pop means they're initially more efficient, and you can still spread and research Energy early for the huge resource boost. Ban on Kill Starbase is obviously good as well.

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This is another thing I can only agree with. Moreover, I'd generally say it helps those who rely on developing by Production Capacity, and not on Sheer Numbers of People.

Mmm, not entirely true. The relevant effects of not having AccBBS are:

- More time to scout: This favours narrower habs over wider ones, because you can look further before you have to move.
- ~10 turns of homeworld growth: This favours high growth rates to exploit the 100% breeding of your HW. 3i HE is utterly unplayable in a non-AccBBS game because of this. For a 4% HE, AccBBS is equivalent to 12 turns of growth, but for a 20% -f, it's only 9.
- Time to do stuff before hitting 250k - This favours races that have lots of things to do before that happens, most obviously HP's factory-building and AR's energy research and colony-spreading. It severely hurts -f races that don't have a great deal of stuff to do in that period.

I'd be tempted to try a 1 in 93 CA in this setup, actually, since it ticks all those boxes (narrow hab, 20% growth, heavily reliant on factories AND tech) but alas, CA is penalised as always. Sad

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