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neilhoward wrote on Thu, 09 August 2012 19:46
Please, never ever put Kirk in the same group as Picard and Janeway again. Kirk was a bumbling fool, walking diplomatic disaster, fat whiny failure, weak willed, intellectually lazy, troubled minded, character lacking, specimen of low moral fibre and cowardice. The other two are responsible, disciplined, professional, embodiments of awesomeness.


What you say about Kirk is certainly true. Probably the price Startrek had to pay to get produced and shown. At that time the prodcuing companies thought Western the big thing and that viewers expected more action and fistfights: a role filled with Kirk then.

Nevertheless as simple and archaic as Kirk's Startrek appears, I nevertheless found it the most socially critical and political controverse of all Startrek generations, especially when judged in context of the time back then: mainly I refer to cold war and racial segregation. The crew was from all major powers and anti-racism or rather the complete folly of it was always a leading theme.

And while the "american way" was always Kirk's sure intuitive ONLY way to go in all the universe, it was always made sure that the Doc could criticize Kirk's "solution" on a liberal anti-war/anti-violence base while Spook was "allowed" to mention that other ways than the american might have a justification, too. While women have no leading roles on the Enterprise and usually serve only as falling in love with Kirk, there are women on board as equal crewmembers (not so in the real world at that time in most countries).

Compared to this all other following generations, when again judged in the time of their making, fall behind IMHO.

Picard had a new and really great way of cooperative leading: "Make it so". But in political progressive or controversial terms it was rather a disappointment. For the role of women it was a rollback. And humour wasn't existing, instead we have Data and our all beloved Wes
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