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End Game Diplomacy and Backstabbing

Sat, 29 March 2003 07:15

Robert

Lt. Junior Grade

Messages: 393
Registered: November 2002
Location: Dortmund, Germany

I have something that really troubles me...

In my experience from about 6-7 games now (excluding duels),
there have been 2 possible endings:

1.) One players is running away, and the rest of the universe
could stop him, or at least should try to, but doesnt.
Partly because of "its too late anyway", or because they
have "kill you last" or similar pacts with the leading race.

2.) An Alliance of players is bashing the rest of the universe,
and is definetly unstopable. But after the other races are
defeated or gave up, they dont start fighing each other and
claim the victory for the alliance, even if the game settings
state that there can be only one winner.

What I would like to know is, if my impression is correct, or
what can be done about it?

Stating in the game settings, that there can be only one winner
does not help at all IMHO.

When i am rank 2 player and allied with rank 1 player, who runs
away and the rest of the universe is unable to stop "us". And
the only way to make the game exciting would be to "backstab",
despite the "kill you last" agreement...
I would have a really bad feeling about that, so should i keep
my promise, let him win, and the game would have a boring end,
or shall I backstab, being the big a****, but making the game
interesting?

How are backstabbers treated in future games? I never met one,
but had several boring ending games...

There is currently one where i am rank 2 PP, intersetteled with
a rank 1 IS (he has 10% more resources than i have), and all
other races are either far behind in econ or tech. I will soon
be the first one with nubians, and i could kill the rank 1
player easily in a turn or 2...
but we agreed on ally end a LONG time ago, before we know we
would be the 2 powerful races in the game...
if i just play on and kill the 3 other reamining races, i will
be second place... for me thats ok, but for the 3 others the
game might be more interesting if i backstab...
and if my assumptions are correct, i will be the only one with
nubians and other superior tech in the game for a while, no real
challange for me also...

For what I learned so far is to NOT agree on any "kill you last"
agreements any more... that means it will be more difficult to
find someone to intersettle very much, and that means shifted
habs in race design make no more much sense, and that means...
ah - thats not a solution...

So how do you handle this?
Do you agree on temporary alliances only?
Do you just not intersettle?
Do you just have fixed borders?
Do you backstab for the sake of an interesting game?
How do you treat backstabbers in later games?

Hope I could make my problem clear... and would love to
hear some comments, and leave this discussion open to the
topic of "end game diplomacy and backstabbing"

Rolling Eyes

Robert

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		End Game Diplomacy and Backstabbing By: Robert on Sat, 29 March 2003 07:15
		Re: End Game Diplomacy and Backstabbing By: Hetzer on Sat, 29 March 2003 12:06
		Re: End Game Diplomacy and Backstabbing By: Micha on Sat, 29 March 2003 18:24
		Re: End Game Diplomacy and Backstabbing By: freakyboy on Sun, 30 March 2003 14:54
		Re: End Game Diplomacy and Backstabbing By: vonKreedon on Sun, 30 March 2003 19:22
		Re: End Game Diplomacy and Backstabbing By: yucaf on Mon, 31 March 2003 11:54
		Re: End Game Diplomacy and Backstabbing By: Peptis on Mon, 31 March 2003 21:21
		Re: End Game Diplomacy and Backstabbing By: yucaf on Mon, 31 March 2003 21:59
		Re: End Game Diplomacy and Backstabbing By: Micha on Mon, 31 March 2003 15:37
		Re: End Game Diplomacy and Backstabbing By: TheJorrus on Fri, 18 April 2003 12:35
		Re: End Game Diplomacy and Backstabbing By: zoid on Mon, 21 April 2003 01:20
		Re: End Game Diplomacy and Backstabbing By: Raindancer on Mon, 31 March 2003 11:54
		Re: End Game Diplomacy and Backstabbing By: Chee on Mon, 31 March 2003 15:16
		Re: End Game Diplomacy and Backstabbing By: yucaf on Mon, 31 March 2003 22:11
		Re: End Game Diplomacy and Backstabbing By: Peptis on Mon, 31 March 2003 23:23
		Re: End Game Diplomacy and Backstabbing By: Chee on Tue, 01 April 2003 08:03
		Re: End Game Diplomacy and Backstabbing By: Peptis on Tue, 01 April 2003 20:54
		Re: End Game Diplomacy and Backstabbing By: yucaf on Wed, 02 April 2003 14:09
		Re: End Game Diplomacy and Backstabbing By: overworked on Thu, 03 April 2003 09:40
		Re: End Game Diplomacy and Backstabbing By: zoid on Fri, 04 April 2003 00:38
		Re: End Game Diplomacy and Backstabbing By: yucaf on Sun, 06 April 2003 15:45
		Re: End Game Diplomacy and Backstabbing By: overworked on Wed, 09 April 2003 11:04
		Re: End Game Diplomacy and Backstabbing By: Micha on Sat, 12 April 2003 12:17
		Re: End Game Diplomacy and Backstabbing By: Robert on Wed, 02 April 2003 04:27
		Re: End Game Diplomacy and Backstabbing By: zoid on Wed, 02 April 2003 19:07
		Re: End Game Diplomacy and Backstabbing By: OOMatter on Wed, 02 April 2003 20:24
		Re: End Game Diplomacy and Backstabbing By: vonKreedon on Wed, 02 April 2003 20:55
		Re: End Game Diplomacy and Backstabbing By: freakyboy on Sun, 20 April 2003 09:17
		Re: End Game Diplomacy and Backstabbing By: TheJorrus on Mon, 21 April 2003 05:21

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