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Re: NAP Violation

Thu, 12 May 2011 12:46

vonKreedon

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Year 5: Race A attacks Race B *again*
Race B: So were you lying earlier?
Race A (and I quote): "F*** You" and "Adam is a f******g prick" (Adam would be me)

I'm a long time friend of NeoGrendal. He sent me the email thread and Race B's email was more confrontational/insulting than the otherwise factually correct timeline suggests, resulting in Grendal's F-you overreaction.

Having played in many games with Grendal I know that he is not someone to push/bend rules or agreements. At times when we have been allied I've pushed him to be more lawyerish in interpreting treaty language than he was comfortable doing. I also know that he's the father of two kids and the co-owner of his own company; he's very busy and really has no business playing Stars Twisted Evil

So I'm highly confident that things happened exactly as he explains them.

OTOH, as a player who takes a very lawyerly view of treaty language I disagree with Grendal that it is a violation of the NAP for Race B and ally to consider the treaty void. From Grendal's treaty text:
"2. Aggressive Actions as defined by this treaty:
c. Setting a treaty member to enemy"

Grendal did not mean to do this, but he did and so he inadvertently violated the treaty. Now if Race B and ally wished to continue the treaty they certainly could; no harm has occured to them, while Grendal has lost ships and the pop on them. However, if Race B and ally are having buyer's remorse about having signed the treaty and wish they could get out of it, then Grendal's mistake has handed them a, IMO, legitimate excuse to do so.

Finally, the questioning of Grendal's honesty right out of the gate was, IMO, over the top and does merit an apology along the lines of Grendal's effusive apologies for being a moron and overreacting.

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		NAP Violation By: neogrendal on Thu, 12 May 2011 02:03
		Re: NAP Violation By: nmid on Thu, 12 May 2011 02:56
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Thu, 12 May 2011 07:49
		Re: NAP Violation By: nmid on Thu, 12 May 2011 07:57
		Re: NAP Violation By: neogrendal on Thu, 12 May 2011 10:06
		Re: NAP Violation By: jagophile on Thu, 12 May 2011 12:05
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Thu, 12 May 2011 12:21
		Re: NAP Violation By: mlaub on Fri, 13 May 2011 13:18
		Re: NAP Violation By: neogrendal on Fri, 13 May 2011 14:56
		Re: NAP Violation By: mlaub on Fri, 13 May 2011 17:20
		Re: NAP Violation By: BlueTurbit on Fri, 13 May 2011 18:49
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Fri, 13 May 2011 19:11
		Re: NAP Violation By: neogrendal on Fri, 13 May 2011 21:01
		Re: NAP Violation By: BlueTurbit on Fri, 13 May 2011 21:21
		Re: NAP Violation By: neogrendal on Fri, 13 May 2011 22:33
		Re: NAP Violation By: BlueTurbit on Fri, 13 May 2011 22:56
		Re: NAP Violation By: neogrendal on Fri, 13 May 2011 23:15
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Fri, 13 May 2011 23:32
		Re: NAP Violation By: BlueTurbit on Sat, 14 May 2011 12:39
		Re: NAP Violation By: nmid on Sat, 14 May 2011 13:50
		Re: NAP Violation By: vonKreedon on Sat, 14 May 2011 14:36
		Re: NAP Violation By: nmid on Sat, 14 May 2011 14:49
		Re: NAP Violation By: BlueTurbit on Sat, 14 May 2011 15:18
		Re: NAP Violation By: nmid on Sat, 14 May 2011 16:10
		Re: NAP Violation By: craebild on Sat, 14 May 2011 17:13
		Re: NAP Violation By: BlueTurbit on Sat, 14 May 2011 17:16
		Re: NAP Violation By: nmid on Sat, 14 May 2011 18:54
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Sat, 14 May 2011 19:05
		Re: NAP Violation By: craebild on Sat, 14 May 2011 19:20
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Sat, 14 May 2011 21:43
		Re: NAP Violation By: neogrendal on Mon, 16 May 2011 13:07
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Sat, 14 May 2011 18:49
		Re: NAP Violation By: neogrendal on Fri, 13 May 2011 23:41
		Re: NAP Violation By: BlueTurbit on Sat, 14 May 2011 00:04
		Re: NAP Violation By: craebild on Sat, 14 May 2011 04:55
		Re: NAP Violation By: nmid on Sat, 14 May 2011 08:10
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Sat, 14 May 2011 08:13
		Re: NAP Violation By: craebild on Sat, 14 May 2011 08:54
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Sat, 14 May 2011 10:41
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Fri, 13 May 2011 23:27
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Fri, 13 May 2011 19:01
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Fri, 13 May 2011 19:07
		Re: NAP Violation By: Azrael on Thu, 12 May 2011 12:23
		Re: NAP Violation By: neogrendal on Thu, 12 May 2011 12:42
		Re: NAP Violation By: neogrendal on Thu, 12 May 2011 12:45
		Re: NAP Violation By: LittleEddie on Thu, 12 May 2011 12:52
		Re: NAP Violation By: neogrendal on Thu, 12 May 2011 12:54
		Re: NAP Violation By: nmid on Thu, 12 May 2011 18:44
		Re: NAP Violation By: nmid on Thu, 12 May 2011 18:52
		Re: NAP Violation By: BlueTurbit on Thu, 12 May 2011 15:42
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Thu, 12 May 2011 17:06
		Re: NAP Violation By: nmid on Thu, 12 May 2011 19:09
		Re: NAP Violation By: vonKreedon on Thu, 12 May 2011 12:46
		Re: NAP Violation By: vonKreedon on Thu, 12 May 2011 12:52
		Re: NAP Violation By: LittleEddie on Thu, 12 May 2011 12:33
		Re: NAP Violation By: Eagle of Fire on Thu, 12 May 2011 12:57
		Re: NAP Violation By: neogrendal on Thu, 12 May 2011 13:04
		Re: NAP Violation By: jagophile on Thu, 12 May 2011 14:16
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Thu, 12 May 2011 15:11
		Re: NAP Violation By: nmid on Thu, 12 May 2011 18:47
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Thu, 12 May 2011 15:15
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Thu, 12 May 2011 15:06
		Re: NAP Violation By: nmid on Thu, 12 May 2011 18:50
		Re: NAP Violation By: BlueTurbit on Thu, 12 May 2011 20:17
		Re: NAP Violation By: nmid on Thu, 12 May 2011 20:26
		Re: NAP Violation By: BlueTurbit on Thu, 12 May 2011 21:11
		Re: NAP Violation By: nmid on Thu, 12 May 2011 21:19
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Thu, 12 May 2011 22:23
		Re: NAP Violation By: BlueTurbit on Thu, 12 May 2011 22:40
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Fri, 13 May 2011 12:26
		Re: NAP Violation By: BlueTurbit on Fri, 13 May 2011 16:05
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Fri, 13 May 2011 19:04
		Re: NAP Violation By: BlueTurbit on Fri, 13 May 2011 19:29
		Re: NAP Violation By: neogrendal on Fri, 13 May 2011 21:14
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Fri, 13 May 2011 23:23
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Fri, 13 May 2011 23:20
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Fri, 13 May 2011 23:36
		Re: NAP Violation By: BlueTurbit on Sat, 14 May 2011 00:02
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Sat, 14 May 2011 00:37
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Thu, 12 May 2011 22:16
		Re: NAP Violation By: LittleEddie on Thu, 12 May 2011 13:00
		Re: NAP Violation By: Scorpius on Thu, 12 May 2011 15:44
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Thu, 12 May 2011 17:19
		Re: NAP Violation By: nmid on Thu, 12 May 2011 19:10
		Re: NAP Violation By: nmid on Thu, 12 May 2011 19:07

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