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Re: NAP Violation

Thu, 12 May 2011 12:05

jagophile

Crewman 1st Class

Messages: 20
Registered: June 2006
Location: Boston, MA

As the nasty nasty man in all of this, here is the view from my side. I hate to get into the tit-for-tat PR battles, but... well, here goes <abandons moral high ground>

Year 1: We are both cleaning up the remnants of another empire.
Race A: "How about we set each other to neutral, battle orders to attack enemies, so we don't attack each other while cleaning up here."
Race B: "Sounds splendid. Done."

Year 2: Race A attacks race B.
Race B: "WTF?"
Race A: "Sorry, accident. Have now changed my orders, won't happen again."
Race B: "OK... make sure it doesn't"

Year 3:
Race A: "How about a NAP?"
Race B: "OK, sounds good"
terms are negotiated, NAP is agreed. Everyone is at this point should have been not attacking each other for 2 years already, but it is now formally written down (somewhat fundamental to this NAP).

Year 4:
Race B: "How about a bit of tech trading"
Race A: "Super - let's get to it!"

Year 5: Race A attacks Race B *again*
Race B: So were you lying earlier?
Race A (and I quote): "F*** You" and "Adam is a f******g prick" (Adam would be me)
Race B: OK then... war it is.
Race A: But... but... you can't
Race B: Tough

Subsequently, much grovelling from Race A about how they are sorry, lost sleep, missed turns. I understand we all get busy, but frankly this was a "mistake" over 4 turns, not 1. When that didn't work, it was followed by how I am the worst human being he has ever played with and he will tell everyone he meets about me and ensure I can never make allies again. (As a side note, I hate the metagaming - be nice to me now otherwise all my friends will pick on you in the next game?)

I don't care to have a NAP with a super-stealth player I can't see who will attack me whenever, wherever he wants and claim to be in a NAP while swearing at me.

As for the tactical situation, nothing has really changed as we are only 2 years into the NAP. There is only 1 planet of theirs near us, and it was already there, and as far as I can tell neither side has sent many warships to the area. So it's really no different than going to war 2 years ago.

It might all have been an unfortunate mistake, but the reaction was not. I don't see why I need to wait for a 3 year exit clause when *I was attacked*, *twice*, during agreements when we weren't meant to be fighting, once during the formal NAP, and then insulted for bringing up the issue.

I appreciate that not everyone will agree with me, some may think I'm overreacting. But I believe my reactions are justified.

Jagophile/Adam

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		NAP Violation By: neogrendal on Thu, 12 May 2011 02:03
		Re: NAP Violation By: nmid on Thu, 12 May 2011 02:56
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Thu, 12 May 2011 07:49
		Re: NAP Violation By: nmid on Thu, 12 May 2011 07:57
		Re: NAP Violation By: neogrendal on Thu, 12 May 2011 10:06
		Re: NAP Violation By: jagophile on Thu, 12 May 2011 12:05
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Thu, 12 May 2011 12:21
		Re: NAP Violation By: mlaub on Fri, 13 May 2011 13:18
		Re: NAP Violation By: neogrendal on Fri, 13 May 2011 14:56
		Re: NAP Violation By: mlaub on Fri, 13 May 2011 17:20
		Re: NAP Violation By: BlueTurbit on Fri, 13 May 2011 18:49
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Fri, 13 May 2011 19:11
		Re: NAP Violation By: neogrendal on Fri, 13 May 2011 21:01
		Re: NAP Violation By: BlueTurbit on Fri, 13 May 2011 21:21
		Re: NAP Violation By: neogrendal on Fri, 13 May 2011 22:33
		Re: NAP Violation By: BlueTurbit on Fri, 13 May 2011 22:56
		Re: NAP Violation By: neogrendal on Fri, 13 May 2011 23:15
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Fri, 13 May 2011 23:32
		Re: NAP Violation By: BlueTurbit on Sat, 14 May 2011 12:39
		Re: NAP Violation By: nmid on Sat, 14 May 2011 13:50
		Re: NAP Violation By: vonKreedon on Sat, 14 May 2011 14:36
		Re: NAP Violation By: nmid on Sat, 14 May 2011 14:49
		Re: NAP Violation By: BlueTurbit on Sat, 14 May 2011 15:18
		Re: NAP Violation By: nmid on Sat, 14 May 2011 16:10
		Re: NAP Violation By: craebild on Sat, 14 May 2011 17:13
		Re: NAP Violation By: BlueTurbit on Sat, 14 May 2011 17:16
		Re: NAP Violation By: nmid on Sat, 14 May 2011 18:54
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Sat, 14 May 2011 19:05
		Re: NAP Violation By: craebild on Sat, 14 May 2011 19:20
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Sat, 14 May 2011 21:43
		Re: NAP Violation By: neogrendal on Mon, 16 May 2011 13:07
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Sat, 14 May 2011 18:49
		Re: NAP Violation By: neogrendal on Fri, 13 May 2011 23:41
		Re: NAP Violation By: BlueTurbit on Sat, 14 May 2011 00:04
		Re: NAP Violation By: craebild on Sat, 14 May 2011 04:55
		Re: NAP Violation By: nmid on Sat, 14 May 2011 08:10
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Sat, 14 May 2011 08:13
		Re: NAP Violation By: craebild on Sat, 14 May 2011 08:54
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Sat, 14 May 2011 10:41
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Fri, 13 May 2011 23:27
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Fri, 13 May 2011 19:01
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Fri, 13 May 2011 19:07
		Re: NAP Violation By: Azrael on Thu, 12 May 2011 12:23
		Re: NAP Violation By: neogrendal on Thu, 12 May 2011 12:42
		Re: NAP Violation By: neogrendal on Thu, 12 May 2011 12:45
		Re: NAP Violation By: LittleEddie on Thu, 12 May 2011 12:52
		Re: NAP Violation By: neogrendal on Thu, 12 May 2011 12:54
		Re: NAP Violation By: nmid on Thu, 12 May 2011 18:44
		Re: NAP Violation By: nmid on Thu, 12 May 2011 18:52
		Re: NAP Violation By: BlueTurbit on Thu, 12 May 2011 15:42
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Thu, 12 May 2011 17:06
		Re: NAP Violation By: nmid on Thu, 12 May 2011 19:09
		Re: NAP Violation By: vonKreedon on Thu, 12 May 2011 12:46
		Re: NAP Violation By: vonKreedon on Thu, 12 May 2011 12:52
		Re: NAP Violation By: LittleEddie on Thu, 12 May 2011 12:33
		Re: NAP Violation By: Eagle of Fire on Thu, 12 May 2011 12:57
		Re: NAP Violation By: neogrendal on Thu, 12 May 2011 13:04
		Re: NAP Violation By: jagophile on Thu, 12 May 2011 14:16
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Thu, 12 May 2011 15:11
		Re: NAP Violation By: nmid on Thu, 12 May 2011 18:47
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Thu, 12 May 2011 15:15
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Thu, 12 May 2011 15:06
		Re: NAP Violation By: nmid on Thu, 12 May 2011 18:50
		Re: NAP Violation By: BlueTurbit on Thu, 12 May 2011 20:17
		Re: NAP Violation By: nmid on Thu, 12 May 2011 20:26
		Re: NAP Violation By: BlueTurbit on Thu, 12 May 2011 21:11
		Re: NAP Violation By: nmid on Thu, 12 May 2011 21:19
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Thu, 12 May 2011 22:23
		Re: NAP Violation By: BlueTurbit on Thu, 12 May 2011 22:40
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Fri, 13 May 2011 12:26
		Re: NAP Violation By: BlueTurbit on Fri, 13 May 2011 16:05
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Fri, 13 May 2011 19:04
		Re: NAP Violation By: BlueTurbit on Fri, 13 May 2011 19:29
		Re: NAP Violation By: neogrendal on Fri, 13 May 2011 21:14
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Fri, 13 May 2011 23:23
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Fri, 13 May 2011 23:20
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Fri, 13 May 2011 23:36
		Re: NAP Violation By: BlueTurbit on Sat, 14 May 2011 00:02
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Sat, 14 May 2011 00:37
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Thu, 12 May 2011 22:16
		Re: NAP Violation By: LittleEddie on Thu, 12 May 2011 13:00
		Re: NAP Violation By: Scorpius on Thu, 12 May 2011 15:44
		Re: NAP Violation By: m.a@stars on Thu, 12 May 2011 17:19
		Re: NAP Violation By: nmid on Thu, 12 May 2011 19:10
		Re: NAP Violation By: nmid on Thu, 12 May 2011 19:07

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