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Re: lol Mac cheats

Sun, 15 May 2011 08:22

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gible wrote on Sun, 15 May 2011 05:50

1) As you point out, 0.2% min damage is clearly *not* a bug and presumably therefore not a cheat. Though it does certainly need documenting.

It's probably better called a "game engine limitation", and it does result in certain counter-intuitive behaviors, and, even worse, open to abuse. That's why most people call it a bug and a cheat. Confused

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2) Relatedly, the "bugs" list is very much a community POV and *not* official.

Some of the listed bugs were known by the Jeffs and assumed on the "to fix" list for future releases. They actually fixed some things. But others surfaced much later, or even too late. Sad

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4) How many of the other "bugs" are intended, or at least acknowledged and accepted, behaviour by the Jeffs and thus "officially ok". Chaff at least and now 0.2% min damage.

As far as anyone knows, nothing else. Not even the "Dock Armor Overload" which would seem to arise from yet another "limitation" of the game engine. Hit Computer

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5) I feel more justified in my opinion that the "bugs" are only "cheats" because hosts say they are - iow a host's game rules define cheating not the bugs list.

Not the hosts. The "bugs" receive special treatment because of their severity and/or generality, which force everybody in every game to be wary of potentially disastrous results (either because of severe unbalances or outright game crashes) On top of that, most of these bugs cannot be triggered (or abused) by mistake, so the "I didn't mean to do it" defense doesn't exist. Deal

Luckily for all, most hosts remember to adhere to "the standard cheats disclaimer" so those unwilling or unable to accept some ancient or insufficiently clear consensus can instead anchor themselves onto something much more defined.

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6)It would be interesting to have an "official cheats disclaimer" alongside the standard one.

Yup, but where do we get it? Or from who? Sherlock

[Updated on: Sun, 15 May 2011 08:22]

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