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Re: lol Mac cheats

Sat, 14 May 2011 15:53

m.a@stars

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Ok, I'll try to do it your way. It changes nothing anyway. Deal

nmid wrote on Sat, 14 May 2011 16:01

What goal? Calling mac a cheater?
I never started. Someone else did. I agreed. As do plenty of other ppl.

You just jumped on the bandwagon. Others might have their own reasons, but what's yours? You insist that you did nothing punishable and, at the same time, you insist that Mac deserves a far worse punishment than what his host already dealt. Why? Confused

You also seem to think that Mac should be closely watched if he ever joins another game. But it looks like you don't think you'll deserve the same treatment. Again, why? Whip

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1. Did I break rules? Sure. (A rule that wasn't mentioned).
2. Intentionally, with a point of breaking rules? No.
3. Can I be called a cheater? As per MY definition No. The same definition I have been trying to get through to you.
4. If you do want to call me a cheater, I'm FINE with that too, as long as future players realise it was UNINTENTIONAL and I ADMITTED to AND APOLOGISED for.

I need more data for line #1: when was that? 2004? 2006? 2008? 2010?

#2: Perhaps not to break what you believed to be the rules, but did you seriously think that bug was actually a standard game "feature"? Did you see it described as such somewhere? Sherlock

#3: Your definition is then flawed. As in "it has more holes than swiss cheese". But you previously stated that your definition was broad enough to cover true cheaters, benders, and breakers. Something is wrong. Confused

#4 I'd like to call you a reformed cheater. You've clearly taken some steps in the right direction, but I don't see you there yet, sorry.

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1. Things that are NOT common with mac. In detail:
2. Did mac break rules? Yes.
3. Intentionally, with a point of breaking rules? Arguable, but done 2 times, perhaps 3.
4. Can mac be called a cheater? Yes.

#2: that's why he should be branded a rules-breaker, and punished accordingly. Deal

#3: not quite the deciding factor. He broke the rules. Intent doesn't matter, except perhaps for deciding the punishment. What he didn't do was abuse a game bug.
#4: What would be the point of calling him a cheater when you don't like to be called the same? Why should everybody worry about what he did but not about you? Whip

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1. Oh best of all, when I started playing the duel, it was clearly stated that standard championship thread rules will apply.
2. Show me the rule that I broke.
3. I considered mine-dodge a standard game rule, like chaff and over-gating heal and fleet dodge.
4. Does that mean using the last 3 in a duel = cheating as well?

#1: these rules seem pretty simple. They just mention "straightforward games" and "Ron's rules". I didn't find anything more definite, but I didn't find any "everything is allowed" rule either. Confused

Most "straightforward games" explicitly mention the "standard cheats disclaimer", and many spell out what's meant by "standard". How do most hosts go about it? "chaff is allowed, this and that is allowed, everything else isn't". They don't say "mine damage dodge" is not allowed, as it is clearly included in "everything else", and in fact the "everything else" bit is there to cover all new cheats/bugs defined as such. Deal

Ron's rules mention ethics. He seems to assume everybody knows what that is. (ab)using a game engine flaw and trying to level the playing field by getting your opposition to do the same can perhaps be considered logical, and even reasonable, but ethical? Debatable at the very least. Sherlock

#2: you broke common sense. When in doubt, ask. Do it *before* you get caught. Look for a comprehensive list of what is and isn't allowed. Don't say "there's no list" or "no-one told me". You have a neat little trick up your sleeve, one that's clearly at odds with the official game mechanics. You see it mentioned nowhere. Yet you still insist it is your right to do it. So, how does that make you any better than Mac? There's a sayin ...

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