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Thu, 12 May 2011 19:40

nmid

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m.a@stars wrote on Thu, 12 May 2011 22:26

nmid wrote on Thu, 12 May 2011 06:57

I'm not talking if he did something horrible because of speeding.
The point is that he speeded.

So, if I'm reading you right, it's not the consequences but the mere fact of breaking the law that matters to you? Shocked

Yes. That's stage 1.
Stage 2 aka consequences is ofcourse more important, but I'm using my example to talk about what you would call Person A and Person B.
Being speedsters caused the accident.
Being cheaters caused either rectifiable or un-rectifiable effects.

I'm talking about terming people as cheaters.
(ps - note that I'm polite not to call minor unintended cheats as cheaters..)

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if no one cheated, then we won't have to talk about magnitude and the list-of-cheats.
Only if a person cheats, do we talk about 'the level' of cheating.

That's what you get when you start mixing all kinds of misdemeanors together. You are then forced to consider relative levels and magnitudes and whatnot. Yuck

ofc.. hence I say call the extreme level of cheaters as Abusers or hard-core cheaters.

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So you agree that a person has to be a cheater, in order to have cheated enough to break one of the "listed-cheats".

"Enough"? Either he used one of the cheats (old or new) or he didn't. There's no "levels" of that.

True. that was my mouth adding an extra word.
Even if you take it away, my intent remains the same.
A person has to "break rules" to be called a cheater.
You just happen to consider the "listed rules/bugs", while I consider "host rules" as well.

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Similarly, he has to have cheated if he's broken host-rules as well.

Only in your definition where it seems everything not in line with someone's rules (or wishes) is "cheating". Rolling Eyes

Not someone. Only the Host's.
It's simple m.a.@stars.. Why am I failing to get through to you?
The host set up the game. Meant to be played in a certain way. People agreed so they joined the game.

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So new players/hosts will know that the person might be "careless"/"cheating" in other games.

Only in "special-rules" games, of course. And players/hosts in those need to be wary anyway. The "rule-bender/breaker" label used to be plenty enough for their convenience. Whip

Sure.. rule bending I can take.
Rule breaking, not.
Rule breaking = cheating.
Pop dropping = Cheating
MT Catching = Cheating
Keeping MT ships after punishment = Rule bending/lawyering.

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Confused.
Mac didn't break the "list".
How's he a "cheater" as per your definition?

We weren't talking here about Mac, but about your fancy listing of

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A cheater.
A cheater who got caught.
A cheater who got caught and continued bending rules to his advantage.
A cheater who spoilt the game by using "many cheats"/"listed cheats".
By my definition, only those who intentionally break host/game rules are cheaters. That doesn't make everyone a cheater.

Once you throw "intentionality" into the mix, yes it does, because more often than not it'll be a subjective assessment, and there'll always be someone who'll take the hardest stance. Shame

I'll just ignore anyone who calls me a cheater if he takes this "hardest" stance.. and I'll not be bothered by those players who believe this guy.
...After flaming the name-caller once Very Happy

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I hope I don't have to state everytime that intent matters. Careless mistakes aren't the same as intentional rule-breaking aka cheating.

Oh yes, you'll have, because that's what your newfangled definition entails. Careless != intentional != cheating or madness ensues! Silly hair

Being careless 3 times in a row = not giving the guy to be careless again.
Here, mac wasn't careless. He cheated.
I see intent, you don't. That's fine... but you are in a very small minority.

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Well, as long as I get the chance to tell the next judge that it was on account of a rented car that malfu

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