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Re: Some specific Nubian design questions

Tue, 19 May 2009 17:46

mlaub

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iztok wrote on Tue, 19 May 2009 08:04

Hi!

mlaub wrote on Sat, 16 May 2009 01:16

The problem with the argument, IMO, is that it totally ignores the fp gained via cheaper nubian costs and hence a larger stack with base armor (which is cheaper overall IIRC).

Yeah

. The price for 3 SuperLat armors is higher than the price for a bare Nub hull.

Armors in Stars! are overpriced. Sad

If cap-ship missiles wouldn't do the double damage to ships without shields, then armors would still be usefull. But this way I only put them on orbitals, and on my missile BBs. All that iron there is worth some additional protection... Wink

Well, armor is useful to AR's and HE's, and team games with AR's. It is simply amazing what happens to ships designs when minerals are irrelevant. Other than that I completely agree.

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I remember making a mod, where I decreased cost of all armors by about 50%, and decreased the weight of (most of) them by about 1/3. In a testbed it felt right, at least the RS was not such an obvious choice anymore.

BR, Iztok

That sounds about right.

The biggest issue IMO, is getting fully armored gateable BB designs with normal races. The Midgame is where most people play, and unless you add another ship hull, or play WM, armor is just to heavy if you use almost the entire stack. If you don't, then it really is never worth it compared to RS.

My stab at it in the Glacier games is limiting shields to energy10 and no missiles, just torps (AR's special)...which has its own issues.

Also, "Armor = ultra heavy" seems like an old idea. Why does armor weigh more than a shield generator? I bet that the 2 would weigh similar amounts... Wink

-Matt

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