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Re: Possible new utility for creating testbeds

Wed, 25 February 2009 17:01

PaulCr

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gible wrote on Wed, 25 February 2009 21:41

craebild wrote on Thu, 26 February 2009 10:26

It is just my opinion, but I would say that using an utility to do something that cannot be done with the standard Stars! interface would be cheating, unless all players have agreed that using that utility is legal, and all players have access to that utility.

I'm uneasy about this as well. I'm not against the idea, but being dependent on third party tools to keep the game fair doesn't seem right. Perhaps if there was some way to know if such a tool has been used(in game message to all would be simple), or if we want to be especially paranoid, for the game to be tagged somehow by the host to explicitly allow their use(ie the tools refuse to work without the tag)...we'd just have to trust Paul Wink

It would be possible to have to utility post a message to a webserver giving details of the game that has been edited and the player number doing the editing and only saving the file after that as taken place. You couldn't really place the message in somebodies x file since they could open it and take it out.

It could be possible to make it only work with particular GameIDs, however the GameID byte locations are easy to get old off so somebody could easily use an hex editor to change the game id to one the util can edit and then change it back.

I think that using the Race name might be an option, ie only allowing x files to be produced if the race name has (ai) at the end for example but it would be possible to get round that although it would be a lot more difficult.

The only real secure way I can come up with would be to have a webserver to do the actual editing and for it to keep a log which is publicly available.

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