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Re: The viability of biimmunity... Mon, 04 August 2008 02:43 Go to previous message
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LEit wrote on Fri, 01 August 2008 16:56

Cause they didn't fare very well in games...

I did just a short testbed (first 20 or so turns) to refresh my memory. Yes, they start slowly. 36% less resources and 1% less pop make quite an impact on early expansion when only the HW is producing everything.

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Search on Oberlander in rec.games.computer.stars.

Ah, that Joseph... Had at least twice quite an argue with him there...

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He argued very hard for 2 immune ARs, but as far as I know never did well with them in a game.

Ummm, might be Joseph was the reason. IIRC he had some quite "unusual" ideas on how to properly play the game.

Anyway, I decided to do a 100-Arm-BBs testbed in the same small packed uni with 1-immune 1-in-10 and 2-immune 1-in-25 AR. They'll both have the same LRTs (IFE, ISb, NAS, RS) and tech (en, weap, con cheap, rest expensive), grav immunity and narrow temp. The diff will be:

1-immune
temp 0 to 120, rad 16 to 62
15% PGR, 1/10 divisor
12 points to MC.

2-immune
temp 16 to 120, rad immune,
14% PGR, 1/25 divisor
17 points to MC.

I had to gen and check several universes to find one that wasn't too skewed to one of both races. The 1-immune test is almost done, at turn 63 I have all the tech and will be queueing BBs to my Death Stars. I expect to finish the test at 2466.

IMO I did two small mistakes:
1) I researched Death Stars. They were not needed, at 2463 most my "core" breeders are still below 600k pop, the biggest (I've missed it at 2460 when I stopped the pop MM) is at 700k.
2) I've built only 10 robo-super-miners at each UltraStation. These Arm BBs cost 1400+ iron each, so mining 340kT iron each turn is simply not enough for "100-Arm-BBs" test. I'd fare better if I'd invest the resorces for Death Stars into another 10 robots. I could also build 2 Mega Disruptor BBs instead of one Arm BB (thus coming closer to the usuall composition of a warfleet).

Unfortunately I'll need to repeat those "mistakes" in 2-immune te
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