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Re: Ideas on the best WM design.

Mon, 29 March 2004 10:40

Ptolemy

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The problem is that 1 in 4 planets in a small / normal doesn't provide enough planets near enough to build up within 50 years - a 1 in 4 just desn't get there.

The cheaper mines and factories helps build them faster, but it doesn't make that much difference. In the testbed, all the major planets were all fully built by 2450.

I disagree that having the 12 per 10 mines isn't efficient - it a lot more efficient than 10 - 10. I'll put the extra mineral count in over building more mines any day.

14 resources per 12 factories significantly increases the max generated resources of the planet.
12, 12 1000 provides 2684 resources
14, 12 1200 provides 2765 resources
13, 13 1100 provides 2859 resources

The 17% with the LSP in the accBBS start didn't do too bad - again, the problem is avaialable planets. An 18% race didn't fare any better. For 25k you need AT LEAST 12 planets producing a little over 2k each. You aren't going to find that many high greens in a small/normal with enough time to set them up in the first 50 years. Many of the planets found are going to be low to mid greens that have to be terraformed to get to their potential. In a small/dense - yes, 1 in 4 works.

Go ahead and try his design in a small / normal and see how well you do - you won't hit 20k. I'm not sure there is a design with one cheap tech that can hit 25k in 50 years in a small/normal

About the only tweak that can improve on this are to go with 13,9,13 and 1100 pop efficiency which actually provides 94 more resources at HW when full (2859 vs. 2765). You can still have 1 in 3 planets with this and you can tweak the mines to 11 4 11. Believe me - even that one extra kt of mine efficiency helps quite a bit.

There are a few other options that can allow the 18% growth such as taking NRSE and CE while dropping the RS and the LSP. But, as a warmonger, you want those ram scoops and you also want your ships to get there ALL the time.

Ptolemy ...

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