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NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost *very long*

Sat, 14 July 2007 17:53

Iconian

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INTRODUCTION
I was reading an old thread and saw c64k's comment:

Quote:

Having tried both CE-only and NRSE-only, I have to go with CE (this is as an AR) because with good MM, CE and be managed. Splitting fleets to hedge your bets and optimizing ship orders can help mitigate the effect of CE.

NRSE, on the other hand, was painful. Fuel is not an issue with NRSE (back in the days of Stars! 2.0, the finite fuel made NRSE very painful fuel-wise, but in 2.5+, fuel is no longer a major concern), but the cost is. The only decent engines that you get for most of the game is the IS-10 and its warp-9 sibling. Both engines are very heavy (bad for overgating and movement points), and both engines are extraordinarily expensive. To make matters worse, there is a huge 12-level gap between P11 and P23 that you have to cross before getting lighter and cheaper engines. Since many players except maybe IT take prop expensive, that's a gap that some may never cross before the endgame. I ended up using the fuel mizer for half my ships because of the high cost of the IS-10.

CE+NRSE might actually be a good combination, though, as CE really helps with the NRSE cost problem, and being able to fly at warp 10 fairly early on will make optimizing CE flightplans easier (as there are now more distances that you can break a warp 6 segment out of).

I've always been a fan of NRSE myself, so I decided to reply to the thread. Then I remembered that a more recent thread in the Academy (this one) was already discussing such issues. I read through that one, but this post strays a bit from the specific subject of engines. Instead, I�m just going to start a new thread. This post will have multiple segments, giving people a bit of time to respond, and also making the reading a little easier.

In addition to NRSE, I think just about every race should take IFE and prop expensive, as this combination seems to cost the least resources and RW points and generally results in the highest ramp up speed for a race though movement. I'll focus on those three race aspects, and I�m going to be quoting a lot of comments. I�m not trying to insult anyone. Rather, my goal is to help everyone come to a greater understanding on the subject, addressing it comprehensively, and definitively if possible. On that note, if anyone does spot flaws in my thinking, please don�t hesitate to bring them up.

Note: Numbers based on Posey�s spreadsheet, Starscalc, and the Tech Browser.

[Updated on: Mon, 16 July 2007 20:21]

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		NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: Iconian on Sat, 14 July 2007 17:53
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: Iconian on Sat, 14 July 2007 23:02
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost By: Ptolemy on Sun, 15 July 2007 02:55
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: Iconian on Sun, 15 July 2007 14:32
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: Iconian on Tue, 17 July 2007 02:06
		The Years Before Warp 10 very long By: Iconian on Sat, 04 August 2007 21:29
		Re: The Years Before Warp 10 very long By: neilhoward on Sun, 02 October 2011 21:44
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: Iconian on Sun, 05 August 2007 05:21
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: Dogthinkers on Sun, 05 August 2007 18:50
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: Soobie on Mon, 20 August 2007 21:48
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: Dogthinkers on Tue, 21 August 2007 00:27
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: LEit on Sun, 26 August 2007 00:52
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: Iconian on Sun, 05 August 2007 22:08
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: Dogthinkers on Sun, 05 August 2007 22:35
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: Ptolemy on Sat, 11 August 2007 02:48
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: BackBlast on Mon, 20 August 2007 00:20
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: magic9mushroom on Wed, 23 July 2008 06:45
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: m.a@stars on Wed, 23 July 2008 08:27
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: Soobie on Thu, 24 July 2008 08:07
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: Micha on Thu, 24 July 2008 16:49
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: Soobie on Fri, 25 July 2008 07:24
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: magic9mushroom on Fri, 25 July 2008 22:03
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		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: Coyote on Sun, 27 July 2008 16:20
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: magic9mushroom on Sun, 27 July 2008 18:29
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: Soobie on Mon, 28 July 2008 08:41
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: Eagle of Fire on Sun, 02 October 2011 22:21
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: neilhoward on Sun, 02 October 2011 23:55
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: m.a@stars on Mon, 03 October 2011 08:00
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: vonKreedon on Mon, 03 October 2011 11:08
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: neilhoward on Mon, 03 October 2011 23:37
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: iztok on Tue, 04 October 2011 03:57
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: m.a@stars on Tue, 04 October 2011 12:53
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: m.a@stars on Tue, 04 October 2011 12:59
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: m.a@stars on Mon, 03 October 2011 07:28
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: neilhoward on Tue, 04 October 2011 04:16
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: magic9mushroom on Fri, 02 December 2011 03:06
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: neilhoward on Mon, 03 October 2011 23:51
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: m.a@stars on Tue, 04 October 2011 12:55
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: neilhoward on Tue, 04 October 2011 21:03
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: m.a@stars on Thu, 06 October 2011 14:13
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: neilhoward on Fri, 07 October 2011 02:40
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: Eagle of Fire on Fri, 07 October 2011 14:51
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: joseph on Sat, 08 October 2011 15:59
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: joseph on Sat, 08 October 2011 16:47
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: Eagle of Fire on Sat, 08 October 2011 22:14
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: jools on Thu, 13 October 2011 13:04
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: m.a@stars on Sat, 15 October 2011 05:53
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: jools on Tue, 01 November 2011 13:53
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: m.a@stars on Tue, 01 November 2011 15:12
		Re: NRSE, IFE, and Prop Cost very long By: neilhoward on Tue, 15 November 2011 21:05

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