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Re: 2506 - Ship transfers for Squidcakes Attack

Tue, 18 September 2007 21:16

AlexTheGreat

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I finally found the time to simulate Squidcakes & discovered some weaknesses & problems.

The test was undertaken with an educated but still arbitrary VA force (140 BBs) & makeup. If any of you want the simulation let me know & I'll email it.

PROBLEMS:

1. IMO it would be surprising if the Vorlons did not have some "Radiant Light" Big Mutha BBs and they are the biggest problem. The Radiant Light heads straight for the bombers/freighter chaff & fries it in Battle round 1. The "Barricade" Galleon MLs are also in trouble for that reason.

2. Rather than attacking the warships, the Hyak often move south & threaten the chaff. A similar thing sometimes happens from the west (especially Ipsha).

3. Any & all ships flown by Gaim & Pak are usually lost, including SFX.

SOLUTIONS:

1. The bombers & freighter chaff are transfered to Narn instead of Pak & the WM speed bonus allows them to escape. Barricades are transfered to Drakh &, unless the VA completely overwhelm us, survive.

2. Transfer 3 (only 1 req. but 3 to cover possible gating losses) Zaidzev to each of Pak, Drakh & Narn. These ships are set for "Maximum Damage". This helps to keep VA warships at bay in the north & west.

3. All (or most) Gaim SFX are transfered to Drakh & these usually move south out of danger. The Llort Vladimirs stay with Llort & not transfered to Pak as intended since they are otherwise fried without firing a shot. All RPs (all races) are transfered to Drakh - if crash sweeping is needed then Drakh is well placed to undertake that anyway but some could be transfered to Gaim in 2507 if required.

NOTE: SFXs for Pak & Spoo are transfered in 2507 so that they are available for gating to if reinforcements are to used. Other ships can (& almost certainly will) be transfered out of Narn hands in 2507 or 2508 to a non-CE race (Pak,Gaim?) - of course, slots will be an issue there.

TRANSFER SCHEDULE:

(i) Slots needed THIS YEAR (2506):
Drakh: 3 (1 existing + self-built RPs & Ampol II?)
Gaim: 0 (at least 2 advisable by next year to take Narn ships)
Llort: 2 (available)
Pak: 0 (1 needed next year for SFX, at least 3 advisable to take Narn ships)
Spoo: 4 (+1 next year for SFXs - scout chaff should all be transfered this year)
Narn: 6 (4 available - deleting 2 slots)

(ii) Transfers:

Light blue items have already been done. Red indicates changed/added.

Year Ship (builder-tfrd to) From .. To
2504 RP (Llort) ............ Llort . Narn
2505 RP (Llort-Narn) ....... Narn .. Llort
2505 Khan (Llort) .......... Llort . Narn
2505 Zaidzev (Spoo) ........ Spoo .. Llort
2505 Vladimir (Spoo) ....... Spoo .. Llort
2505 vla'di'mir (Pak) ...... Pak ... Llort
2505 Spartacus (Llort) ..... Llort . Gaim
2505 mijn'veg'er (Pak) ..... Pak ... Drakh
2505 Barricade (Llort) ..... Llort . Pak
2505 alumini'umf'olie(Pak) . Pak ... Drakh
2506 Zaidzev (Spoo-Llort) .. Llort . Spoo
2506 zai'dz'ev (Pak) ....... Pak ... Spoo
2506 Zaidzev (Gaim) ........ Gaim .. Spoo (all but 9)
2506 Zaidzev (Gaim) ........ Gaim .. Drakh (3 only)
2506 Zaidzev (Gaim) ........ Gaim .. Pak (3 only)
2506 Zaidzev (Gaim) ........ Gaim .. Narn (3 only)
2506 Vladimir (Spoo-Llort) . Llort . Spoo
2506 vla'di'mir (Pak-Llort). Llort . Spoo
2506 Vladimir II (Gaim) .... Gaim .. Spoo
2506 Vladimir (Llort) ...... Llort . Pak (no transfer)
2506 Spartacus (Llort-Gaim). Gaim .. Llort
2506 Spartacus (Llort)...... Llort . Gaim (reinforcements)
2506 Spartacus (Spoo) ...... Spoo .. Llort
2506 spa'rta'cus (Pak) ..... Pak ... Llort
2506 oorl'ogsbo'dem (Pak) .. Pak ... Narn
2506 Jugger Chucker (Gaim) . Gaim .. Narn
2506 Martyr (Llort) ........ Llort . Narn
2506 Martyr (Gaim) ......... Gaim .. Narn
2506 Revenge at Last (Gaim). Gaim .. Narn
2506 Supply Line ........... Gaim .. Drakh (optionally keep a few)
2506 Oliver (Llort) ........ Llort . Spoo
2506 Barricade (Llort-Pak) . Pak ... Drakh
2506 FF 150 CS (Gaim) ...... Gaim .. Narn
2506 Chaff (Spoo) .......... Spoo .. Drakh
2506 RP (Gaim, if any) ..... Gaim .. Drakh
2506 RP (Pak, if any) ...... Pak ... Drakh
2506 RP (Narn) ............. Narn .. Drakh
2507 Spartacus (Llort-Gaim). Gaim .. Llort (reinforcements)
2507 FF 150 CS (Gaim-Narn) . Narn .. Llort
2507 Ampol III (Llort) ..... Llort . Spoo (some)
2507 Supply Line (Gaim-Drakh)Drakh . Pak (some)
2507 Supply Line (Gaim-Drakh)Drakh . Gaim (most of the rest)
2507 Other ships (?-Narn) .. Narn .. ? (to be decided)
2507 RP (Drakh) ............ Drakh . Gaim (if wanted for sweeping)

BATTLE ORDERS:

Battle Orders used are (names are for reference only):
Default: Armed/Any/Max. Ratio/Enemies
Run: None/None/Disengage/Enemies
Max-Dam: Armed/Any/Max. Damage/Enemies

Default Battle Orders is used for the battle except:

DRAKH
Run used for mijn'veg'er/RP/Chaff (NOTE: split RP/chaff into at least 4 seperate fleets in case they decide to move into beam range).
Max-Dam used for Zaidzev

LLORT
Run used for M.T. Probe

PAK
Max-Dam used for Zaidzev

SPOO
Run used for Oliver

NARN
Max-Dam used for Zaidzev

After about 12 hours of thought & simulation I think I've got it right but please remember than a number of assumptions have been necessary so it's only a "best bet".

[Updated on: Tue, 18 September 2007 22:33]

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