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Re: 2504 - Attacking Abel: Battlegrid & IA Roles

Sun, 09 September 2007 08:24

AlexTheGreat

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I hope you don't all think I'm going over the top here. I always try for perfection - sometimes too hard.

I've closely examined battlegrid positions & what ships most suit each of us for the Squidcakes battle. The particular role best suited by each IA member depends upon the battlegrid position v each VA member, the ship types the IA & VA are likely to have & battlegrid factors such as retreat areas, etc.

My analysis suggests that the most suitable layouts are:
1. 11 Races. Most important requirements are met, good retreat area. Weakness: positions spoiled if Earth missing.
2. 9 Races, no Drakh,Narn. Matchups good. Weaknesses: Only so-so retreat area, positions spoiled if Earth missing.
3. 9 Races, no Gate,Drakh. Similar to (2). Retreat area maybe a little better.
4. 8 Races, no Gate,Drakh,Narn. Matchups good, works reasonably well if no Earth. Weakness: Poor retreat areas.

IMO we should gamble that Earth is present &, in that case, the 11-race scenario looks very good.

The battlegrid pair below is with Earth & without Earth:

E=Earth, D=Drakh, V=Vorlon, G=Gaim, L=Llort, H=Hyak, P=Pak, o=Gate, S=SPOO, I=Ipsha, N=Narn

Gate to be destroyed OR Pseudo-attacked (token chaff attack)

___________ 11/10 (no Earth) Races____________
. . . . . . . . . . ______ . . . . . . . . . .
. . . o . . G . . . ______ . . D . . V . . G .
. . . . . . . . . . ______ . . . . . . . . . .
. E . . . . I . H . ______ . . . . . . . . . .
. . . S . . . . . . ______ . L . . . . . . H .
. . . . . . . . . . ______ . . . . P . . . . .
. L . . . . N . D . ______ . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . ______ . o . . . . . . S .
. . . V . . P . . . ______ . . . I . . N . . .
. . . . . . . . . . ______ . . . . . . . . . .

You may agree with my analysis or you might prefer another scenario (see battlegrid positions in earlier post) but I think it is now necessary to make the decision.

I will try to find the time tomorrow to simulate this (which might lead to changes) but according to my deliberations IA roles & ship transfers are as follows:

IA Roles:

1. Commander: Spoo (main IA force designed to take on Ipsha first & then Hyak)
2. Secondary: Llort (range 3/low weight force designed to destroy Vorlon Big Mutha BBs while staying out of range & then join the battle v Hyak.
3. Artillery: Narn (most of the missile ships. Should stay out of beam range. Also holds FF Croby MLs which will hopefully keep them safe)
4. Mother: Pak (unarmed ships including bombers & freight chaff. Has good retreat area.
5. Punching Bag: Drakh (most of the chaff - some RPs included for Spoo. Decent retreat area - uses retreat BO?)
6. Observer: Gaim (only used for manipulation)

Transfer Schedule:

(i) Assumed starting spare slots in 2504:
Drakh,Gaim,Llort,Pak,Spoo = 1, Narn = 3.

(ii) Additional spare slots required:
Drakh: one extra slot by 2405
Narn: two extra slots by 2406 (planned, assumes one for the suggested Spoo transfer below)
Spoo: one extra slot by 2407 (suggestion: transfer all "Tools of Enlightment" MLs to Narn in 2406).

(iii) Transfers:

Some ships have a "last build" year to allow slot availability. Red year indicates that last ships should be completed by that year (many of them are no longer being built anyway). After all transfers are complete Spoo, Drakh & Narn will have 16 slots in use but others will have spare slots - Llort will be able to accomodate a spare slot or two at the end if need be.

Once the schedule is confirmed by agreement + simulation I can provide each of you with an individual personal schedule since I realise that this is somewhat complex.

Year Ship (builder-prev.tfr) From .. To
2504 RP (Llort) ............ Llort . Narn
2505 RP (Llort-Narn) ....... Narn .. Llort
2505 Khan (Llort) .......... Llort . Narn
2505 Zaidzev (Spoo) ........ Spoo .. Llort
2505 Vladimir (Spoo) ....... Spoo .. Llort
2505 vla'di'mir (Pak) ...... Pak ... Llort
2505 Spartacus (Llort) ..... Llort . Gaim
2505 mijn'veg'er (Pak) ..... Pak ... Drakh
2505 Barricade (Llort) ..... Llort . Pak
2505 Chaff (Spoo) .......... Spoo .. Drakh
2505 alumini'umf'olie(Pak) . Pak ... Drakh
2506 Zaidzev (Spoo-Llort) .. Llort . Spoo
2506 Zaidzev (Gaim) ........ Gaim .. Spoo
2506 zai'dz'ev (Pak) ....... Pak ... Spoo
2506 Vladimir (Spoo-Llort) . Llort . Spoo
2506 vla'di'mir (Pak-Llort). Llort . Spoo
2506 Vladimir II (Gaim) .... Gaim .. Spoo
2506 Vladimir (Llort) ...... Llort . Pak (no slot alternative)
2506 Spartacus (Llort-Gaim). Gaim .. Llort
2506 Spartacus (Llort)...... Llort . Gaim
2506 Spartacus (Spoo) ...... Spoo .. Llort
2506 spa'rta'cus (Pak) ..... Pak ... Llort
2506 oorl'ogsbo'dem (Pak) .. Pak ... Narn
2506 Jugger Chucker (Gaim) . Gaim .. Narn
2506 Martyr (Llort) ........ Llort . Pak
2506 Martyr (Gaim) ......... Gaim .. Pak
2506 Revenge at Last (Gaim). Gaim .. Pak
2506 Oliver (Llort) ........ Llort . Spoo
2506 FF 150 CS (Gaim) ...... Gaim .. Narn
2506 RP (Gaim, if any) ..... Gaim .. Drakh
2506 RP (Pak, if any) ...... Pak ... Drakh
2507 Spartacus (Llort-Gaim). Gaim .. Llort
2507 FF 150 CS (Gaim-Narn) . Narn .. Llort
2507 Ampol III (Llort) ..... Llort . Spoo
2507 Supply Line (Gaim) .... Gaim .. Pak

Other ships used in the invasion but not in the above list do not need transfering & have no "last build" year.

[Updated on: Sun, 09 September 2007 20:02]

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