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Re: 2495 - Attacking Abel. The Strategy - part 1

Thu, 02 August 2007 07:52

AlexTheGreat

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Micha wrote on Wed, 01 August 2007 09:49

FFs with gatlings might actually work better than DDs. We can assume to run into a lot of speedbumps, they will stop anything 99% going faster than warp7. Fleets speeding in minefields are checked in this order: speed-standard-heavy (to all SDs regret), this means their speedbump fields will *protect* our FFs, those will survive a lot until we run out off speedbumps to run into.

Fair enough but it is essential that the sweepers are not destroyed as chaff - they are essential for their designated purpose so each FF will need a Croby else they are more attractive than Red Pirates even with standard shielding (one Croby makes them slightly less attractive). How many do you think we need?

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Also using mini-bombers might be a good idea. I can imagine that at the gate planet we'll find a few missile boats waiting with orders to kill bombers ... of course if they have beamers as well the chaff-like behaviour of mini-bombers is negated.
We can go for something like mini-bomber + FM + 1 bomb ... not sure what that does for attractiveness ... or we can at least send along *some* of those to act as bomber-chaff with a second chance to bomb should they survive ... or use freighter chaff but those do nothing as addition.

A single Hab mini-bomber might work but a single LBU mini-bomber has no chance. The B-52 is the only way a bomber that includes LBUs can survive. If we have chaff along they will protect the bombers. Without LBUs the bombing will take too long.

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As for mutiple years of gating in bombers: assume the first year no bombers survive if not send enough, the second year maybe a few but that's the same year the gate will go down and never get up ... if VA is smart they have some highest init missile boats sitting close as well to take it out right after we gate in our first ships.

Maybe, but I wouldn't bet on it - I guess we won't know until we get a scan or we gate in. Probably best to have all the bombers ready to gate in the 2nd year just in case.

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As for con15, I can have that in 2 years, already could have had it but I was trying not to research since it seems nothing was needed from me, so I was "wasting" resources into secondary ships etc trying to avoid also wasting minerals ...

Good to know. Let's see what happens next year. Miniaturisation would be useful too.

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