Home World Forum: WM » WM in a Nubless game?

Home » Primary Racial Traits » WM » WM in a Nubless game?

Show: Today's Messages :: Show Polls :: Message Navigator
E-mail to friend

Re: WM in a Nubless game?

Sun, 15 June 2008 14:52

Micha

Commander

Duel Club Champion 2005

Duel Club Champion 2004

Messages: 2342
Registered: November 2002
Location: Belgium GMT +1

With regards designs: you probably won't see T-S 10 engines on either a DN or nub designs that often, ... I only saw it once or twice in the +30 games that I can remember over the past 10 years ...
Except for team games a race that can research the T-S 10 either has no expensive pop (few races have that), or has so many resources and peace for so many years it doesn't need to build a fleet in the first +70 years of the game. However the most likely reason is that a race has run out off minerals and can't feed its production centers with enough minerals to keep up the ship building while all other more important techs are already researched. Why else spend 700k into prop after prop12?

You'd probably see IS-10 variations a lot more often, which sets the DN back even more versus the nub hull since it has 5 engines to the nubs 3. I would compare designs with that engine. If you do end up in the T-S situation than I have to agree with vonKreedon and his sketch of the late game situation.

vonKreedon wrote on Sun, 15 June 2008 08:24

Regarding the relative mineral costs, you have to take in the context for Nubs. In the late game the remaining races in contention are constrained by minerals at their production centers. The per weapon cost may be better for the DN, I'll take your word for that, but the per ships cost is substantially less for the Nub. This means that your mineral constrained production centers can produce more Nubs than DNs. This tends to mean that overall your stacks in combat are more robust because the Nub has higher base armor and its stacks will tend to have larger shield pools. When you add in the ability to gate the stacking advantage for the Nub in the late game really adds up.

Partially off topic:

Personally I have a preference to build FM DNs (and even FM nubs), mount 2 OT's in the front slot and you have 2 1/4 speed after adding the WM bonus.

Benefits:
- cheaper DNs (cheaper nubs as well of course, but they benefit less) with at near full tech saving you roughly 50/100/50/200 ( ...

[ Show the rest of the message ]

Report message to a moderator

[Message index]

		WM in a Nubless game? By: Carn on Thu, 01 March 2007 08:57
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Altruist on Thu, 01 March 2007 11:46
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: velvetthroat57 on Thu, 01 March 2007 14:17
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: iztok on Thu, 01 March 2007 14:28
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: vonKreedon on Thu, 01 March 2007 16:04
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Dogthinkers on Thu, 01 March 2007 17:33
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: neilhoward on Sat, 07 June 2008 18:32
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: neilhoward on Sat, 07 June 2008 18:55
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Soobie on Tue, 10 June 2008 07:28
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: AlexTheGreat on Tue, 10 June 2008 09:14
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Tue, 10 June 2008 19:05
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: AlexTheGreat on Tue, 10 June 2008 22:56
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Wed, 11 June 2008 00:59
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Micha on Wed, 11 June 2008 03:57
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Wed, 11 June 2008 08:59
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Micha on Wed, 11 June 2008 09:10
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: vonKreedon on Wed, 11 June 2008 10:35
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Wed, 11 June 2008 19:12
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: LEit on Wed, 11 June 2008 21:54
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Wed, 11 June 2008 22:16
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: LEit on Thu, 12 June 2008 01:57
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: AlexTheGreat on Thu, 12 June 2008 02:14
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Thu, 12 June 2008 02:33
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: AlexTheGreat on Thu, 12 June 2008 06:25
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Soobie on Thu, 12 June 2008 07:02
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Thu, 12 June 2008 07:39
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Fri, 13 June 2008 21:02
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Soobie on Sat, 14 June 2008 07:50
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Sat, 14 June 2008 08:09
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Soobie on Sun, 15 June 2008 01:45
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Sun, 15 June 2008 01:55
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: vonKreedon on Sun, 15 June 2008 02:24
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Sun, 15 June 2008 02:48
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Soobie on Sun, 15 June 2008 02:48
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: LEit on Sun, 15 June 2008 13:54
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Micha on Sun, 15 June 2008 14:26
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: mlaub on Tue, 17 June 2008 21:10
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: AlexTheGreat on Sun, 15 June 2008 03:08
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Micha on Sun, 15 June 2008 14:52
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Sun, 15 June 2008 18:47
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Soobie on Mon, 16 June 2008 05:10
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Mon, 16 June 2008 06:07
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: gible on Mon, 16 June 2008 06:50
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Micha on Mon, 16 June 2008 07:21
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Mon, 16 June 2008 08:05
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: AlexTheGreat on Mon, 16 June 2008 09:59
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Mon, 16 June 2008 21:50
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Micha on Tue, 17 June 2008 05:16
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Tue, 17 June 2008 05:30
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Micha on Tue, 17 June 2008 05:50
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Soobie on Tue, 17 June 2008 07:08
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Tue, 17 June 2008 07:31
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: mlaub on Tue, 17 June 2008 21:20
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Tue, 17 June 2008 22:26
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Soobie on Wed, 18 June 2008 07:58
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Wed, 18 June 2008 22:10
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Micha on Thu, 19 June 2008 02:43
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Thu, 19 June 2008 03:08
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Micha on Thu, 19 June 2008 04:40
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Thu, 19 June 2008 05:26
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Soobie on Thu, 19 June 2008 05:59
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Thu, 19 June 2008 21:14
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Micha on Fri, 20 June 2008 02:35
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: joseph on Fri, 20 June 2008 09:47
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Micha on Fri, 20 June 2008 10:05
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Tue, 24 June 2008 08:20
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Soobie on Tue, 24 June 2008 08:38
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Micha on Tue, 24 June 2008 09:01
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Tue, 24 June 2008 19:32
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Micha on Mon, 30 June 2008 16:24
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Tue, 01 July 2008 04:25
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Soobie on Tue, 01 July 2008 06:25
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: joseph on Tue, 01 July 2008 06:40
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Soobie on Tue, 01 July 2008 07:11
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Micha on Fri, 04 July 2008 02:48
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Micha on Mon, 30 June 2008 16:34
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: iztok on Thu, 12 June 2008 05:43
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Thu, 12 June 2008 06:24
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: iztok on Fri, 13 June 2008 03:03
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Fri, 13 June 2008 03:49
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: iztok on Fri, 13 June 2008 07:38
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: LEit on Fri, 13 June 2008 09:14
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Fri, 13 June 2008 20:52
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Adacore on Wed, 11 June 2008 12:32
		Nubian vs Dreadnaught By: LEit on Wed, 11 June 2008 13:46
		the old WM in a Nubless game chestnut By: neilhoward on Wed, 25 June 2008 02:57
		Re: the old WM in a Nubless game chestnut By: magic9mushroom on Mon, 30 June 2008 10:46
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Thu, 03 July 2008 08:11
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: joseph on Thu, 03 July 2008 09:21
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Fri, 04 July 2008 02:07
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Micha on Fri, 04 July 2008 03:02
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Sun, 06 July 2008 05:07
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Micha on Sun, 06 July 2008 06:20
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Sat, 19 July 2008 03:15
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Soobie on Sat, 19 July 2008 22:54
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Sun, 20 July 2008 01:41
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Altruist on Sun, 20 July 2008 19:37
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Mon, 21 July 2008 03:46
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: vonKreedon on Mon, 21 July 2008 11:22
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Altruist on Mon, 21 July 2008 13:11
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Mon, 21 July 2008 19:40
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Soobie on Mon, 21 July 2008 17:49
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Adacore on Sun, 06 July 2008 05:44

Previous Topic:	BET
Next Topic:	-f WM

Goto Forum:

-=] Back to Top [=-

Current Time: Mon Apr 29 07:12:35 EDT 2024