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Re: WM in a Nubless game?

Sat, 14 June 2008 08:09

magic9mushroom

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Soobie wrote on Sat, 14 June 2008 21:50

magic9mushroom wrote on Sat, 14 June 2008 10:32

I'm not playing devil's advocate, I believe what I'm saying.

Fine.

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You also have ignored miniaturisation.

I have? OK, I think you need to post some designs and go in to the detail AlexTheGreat did.

I can't see a Beamer DN using less res or Bor than, say, 1.5 semi-decent beamer Nubs if the techs are equal. I'll also take a stab and say that the germ use will be really close. Ir, the DN will use less. But Ir use in beamers is usually a secondary concern imho. I'm thinking Bor and/or Res are going to be the limiting factors here, so I'm going with the nub.

I also can't see a missile DN using less Ir, Germ or Res than about 1.5 missile nubs (Arma or Omega) ... wait ... I can imagine a DN using marginally less germ and about the same res as 1.5 nubs. But only just. I'm tipping Ir and Germ are gonna be the limiting factors here, so I'm going with the nub.

I was a fly on the wall for a great game where the WM player and ally had the others so much on the defensive they just didn't have a chance to get to nubs usefully because they were desperately trying to defend. Nubs finally arrived for some but it was just too late to be useful. Watching low tech DNs going around trashing everyone left, right and centre is beautiful to behold. Scored a great education out of that game. But the strategy there was very different to pitting DNs against Nubs on equal terms.

Perhaps you're right and DN is the superior warship hull in all situations (which is the position you seem to be taking here) and it's just that I use the hull incorrectly. But, personally, I just don't see the DN as the all-time be-all and end-all warship hull in all circumstances when the nub is around.

edit: typo

Oh sorry, I seem to have misunderstood you too Surprised

. I meant in hull costs, you meant in whole ship costs. Whoops. Beamer DNs will indeed use a lot more res and bor than beamer nubs ship for ship, but that's countered by having much higher firep ...

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