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Re: WM in a Nubless game?

Thu, 12 June 2008 06:25

AlexTheGreat

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magic9mushroom wrote on Thu, 12 June 2008 02:33

Objection: of course DNs can be counterdesigned by nubians. I never said they couldn't be. However, that doesn't do anything about the fact that AMP DNs will kill AMP nubs where iron is limiting. Also, MegaD DNs will kill MegaD nubs.

Also, if I do choose to go with MegaD DNs, I may well put on a slot of nexi to outinit you again, and you die..

Of course you can add computers ... up to a limit that does not apply to the nub. Of course you can counter ... up to a limit that does not apply to a nub (you can put anything you like into any slot).

magic9mushroom wrote on Thu, 12 June 2008 02:33

You've forgotten that I can counterdesign just as fast as you can, the only difference being that if you out-counter-design me in a battle, you still lose most ships, whereas if I out-counter-design you, I win with 50% still alive. You can't just say "I'll always have the design which is best for killing you" because despite the mobility advantages of Nubs, I can still often trick you. And of course, we're talking DN vs. WM nub here, for non-WM nub both will win, with DN probably taking less casualties due to higher divisor.

OK, one final analysis. Let's just say that the counter works your way (AMP v AMP) - in other words my design is about as bad as it can be (I'm out-inited & have the same range thus removing the nub "move last" advantage).

In that case the AMP Nub (this time it's a WM nub but the speed advantage is useless since the nub inappropriately used AMPs) is as follows:
DN AMP: Trans-star, 8 CPS, 8 Org, 38 AMP, 8 cap, 2 def. Cost (I/B/G/R): 179/664/162/1196
Nub AMP: Trans-star, 3 CPS, 9 AMP, 9 cap, 15 def. Cost (I/B/G/R): 114/165/108/456

# Nubs needed to destroy 50 DN = 84 (11 Survive}. Note that the 11 Survivers are included in the cost as if lost:

Cost per DN destroyed: 191.5/277.2/181.4/766.1
Cost per DN: 179/664/162/1196

The nub cost compared to the DN is now (I/B/G/R): +6% / -58.3% / +12% / -35.9%

IMO that still f ...

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