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Re: WM in a Nubless game?

Thu, 12 June 2008 01:57

LEit

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Your DN has speed 2.25, which may be a problem in some cases, it will take 4 rounds to reach the last row, whereas speed 2.5 will take only 3 rounds. Also neither design has any jamming, wich will really hurt when chaff is gone.

Also, a nubian shouldn't have 3 CPS nor 3 AMP, 2 of each is enough if you have RS (and most WMs should). If you don't have RS, I actually think you should go for 1 CPS, don't try to match shields, go for cheap.

Anyway, 4 jammers to the DN and dropping the organic armor (making it easier to gate and saving germanium), and comparing them to a 4 slot deflector nubian, the DN is still better, especially if you include init. But the Nubian has speed 2.5, and is easily gatable, much cheaper in resources and bora to build.

Here's an arbitrary formula for the late game cost of a ship: 10 times iron cost, 1 times bora cost, 5 times germ cost, and 1 times resource. By that metric and with 1000 nubians to 625 DNs (same cost by that formula), according to my battle by excel... the Nubians win, with 579 nubians left.

This is actually much better for the DNs then I'd expected, and if I ever have a WM in a late game fight that's even, I'll actually have to think about DN vs nubian.

I'm sorry I changed the criteria from what I'd asked at first, but the other minerals and resources do have some impact - and the results seemed a bit wrong. I'd still use nubians if there was no existing fleet. But given that you'll be able to build the DNs first, keeping with the same design is a large consideration.

- LEit

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		WM in a Nubless game? By: Carn on Thu, 01 March 2007 08:57
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Altruist on Thu, 01 March 2007 11:46
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: velvetthroat57 on Thu, 01 March 2007 14:17
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: iztok on Thu, 01 March 2007 14:28
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: vonKreedon on Thu, 01 March 2007 16:04
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Dogthinkers on Thu, 01 March 2007 17:33
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: neilhoward on Sat, 07 June 2008 18:32
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: neilhoward on Sat, 07 June 2008 18:55
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Soobie on Tue, 10 June 2008 07:28
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: AlexTheGreat on Tue, 10 June 2008 09:14
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Tue, 10 June 2008 19:05
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: AlexTheGreat on Tue, 10 June 2008 22:56
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Wed, 11 June 2008 00:59
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Micha on Wed, 11 June 2008 03:57
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Wed, 11 June 2008 08:59
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Micha on Wed, 11 June 2008 09:10
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: vonKreedon on Wed, 11 June 2008 10:35
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Wed, 11 June 2008 19:12
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: LEit on Wed, 11 June 2008 21:54
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Wed, 11 June 2008 22:16
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: LEit on Thu, 12 June 2008 01:57
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: AlexTheGreat on Thu, 12 June 2008 02:14
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Thu, 12 June 2008 02:33
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: AlexTheGreat on Thu, 12 June 2008 06:25
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Soobie on Thu, 12 June 2008 07:02
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Thu, 12 June 2008 07:39
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Fri, 13 June 2008 21:02
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Soobie on Sat, 14 June 2008 07:50
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Sat, 14 June 2008 08:09
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Soobie on Sun, 15 June 2008 01:45
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Sun, 15 June 2008 01:55
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: vonKreedon on Sun, 15 June 2008 02:24
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Sun, 15 June 2008 02:48
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Soobie on Sun, 15 June 2008 02:48
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: LEit on Sun, 15 June 2008 13:54
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Micha on Sun, 15 June 2008 14:26
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: mlaub on Tue, 17 June 2008 21:10
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: AlexTheGreat on Sun, 15 June 2008 03:08
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Micha on Sun, 15 June 2008 14:52
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Sun, 15 June 2008 18:47
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Soobie on Mon, 16 June 2008 05:10
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Mon, 16 June 2008 06:07
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: gible on Mon, 16 June 2008 06:50
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Micha on Mon, 16 June 2008 07:21
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Mon, 16 June 2008 08:05
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: AlexTheGreat on Mon, 16 June 2008 09:59
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Mon, 16 June 2008 21:50
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Micha on Tue, 17 June 2008 05:16
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Tue, 17 June 2008 05:30
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Micha on Tue, 17 June 2008 05:50
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Soobie on Tue, 17 June 2008 07:08
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Tue, 17 June 2008 07:31
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: mlaub on Tue, 17 June 2008 21:20
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Tue, 17 June 2008 22:26
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Soobie on Wed, 18 June 2008 07:58
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Wed, 18 June 2008 22:10
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Micha on Thu, 19 June 2008 02:43
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Thu, 19 June 2008 03:08
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Micha on Thu, 19 June 2008 04:40
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Thu, 19 June 2008 05:26
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Soobie on Thu, 19 June 2008 05:59
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Thu, 19 June 2008 21:14
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Micha on Fri, 20 June 2008 02:35
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: joseph on Fri, 20 June 2008 09:47
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Micha on Fri, 20 June 2008 10:05
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Tue, 24 June 2008 08:20
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Soobie on Tue, 24 June 2008 08:38
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Micha on Tue, 24 June 2008 09:01
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Tue, 24 June 2008 19:32
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Micha on Mon, 30 June 2008 16:24
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Tue, 01 July 2008 04:25
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Soobie on Tue, 01 July 2008 06:25
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: joseph on Tue, 01 July 2008 06:40
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Soobie on Tue, 01 July 2008 07:11
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Micha on Fri, 04 July 2008 02:48
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Micha on Mon, 30 June 2008 16:34
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: iztok on Thu, 12 June 2008 05:43
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Thu, 12 June 2008 06:24
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: iztok on Fri, 13 June 2008 03:03
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Fri, 13 June 2008 03:49
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: iztok on Fri, 13 June 2008 07:38
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: LEit on Fri, 13 June 2008 09:14
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Fri, 13 June 2008 20:52
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Adacore on Wed, 11 June 2008 12:32
		Nubian vs Dreadnaught By: LEit on Wed, 11 June 2008 13:46
		the old WM in a Nubless game chestnut By: neilhoward on Wed, 25 June 2008 02:57
		Re: the old WM in a Nubless game chestnut By: magic9mushroom on Mon, 30 June 2008 10:46
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Thu, 03 July 2008 08:11
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: joseph on Thu, 03 July 2008 09:21
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Fri, 04 July 2008 02:07
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Micha on Fri, 04 July 2008 03:02
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Sun, 06 July 2008 05:07
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Micha on Sun, 06 July 2008 06:20
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Sat, 19 July 2008 03:15
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Soobie on Sat, 19 July 2008 22:54
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Sun, 20 July 2008 01:41
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Altruist on Sun, 20 July 2008 19:37
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Mon, 21 July 2008 03:46
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: vonKreedon on Mon, 21 July 2008 11:22
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Altruist on Mon, 21 July 2008 13:11
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: magic9mushroom on Mon, 21 July 2008 19:40
		Re: WM in a Nubless game? By: Soobie on Mon, 21 July 2008 17:49
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