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Re: WM in a Nubless game?

Wed, 11 June 2008 19:12

magic9mushroom

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vonKreedon wrote on Thu, 12 June 2008 00:35

Nubs have serious advantages over DNs for beamers. You really can't overestimate the value of loading up with deflectors, while the DNs can have two deflectors at most. Plus the Nubs are way cheaper than DNs, (DN base costs: Ir=123, Br=26, Gr=22, Rsrc=242 vs. Nub: Ir=75, Br=12, Gr=12, Rsrc=150) so you can overwhelm the beam DNs with highly deflected and large shield pooled stacks of AMP Nubs. You don't need to jam the Nubs because your chaff jam for them. Plus you can gate the Nubs with no damage, something you won't manage with the DN unless you are gating through an allied IT's gates.

While the DN does make a better missile platform this is less relevant by the time Nubs are available because the economics of the end game tend to rule out viably producing effective numbers of missile boats relative to producing beamers, particularly given massive amounts of chaff. And again there is the issue of gating, which is significant in the end game unless you are playing defense on a decreasing front, in which case a WM is screwed anyway.

Objection: a DN hull's cost with full miniaturisation (which there will be if you're comparing to Nubs) is 84I, 18B, 15G, 165R. Not substantially greater than that of a Nubian. A decked out beamer DN has almost identical Iron cost to a decked out beamer nub, and similar Germanium cost too. The difference is the gigantic Boron and resource cost of such a DN, because of the 38 AMPs. And it has significantly more firepower to make up for the 4-7 less defs it has.

Edit: I agree that Nubs have their place in a WM fleet, but I'm simply saying that DNs are right up there too.

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