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Re: Don't Let the Stars Fade Away

Sat, 18 August 2007 14:26

ekolis

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Stars! Nova developer

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Registered: May 2006
Location: Cincinnati, OH, USA

Hey Ken,
I've got a question for you... Wink

See, I've been working on my own 4X game lately, and I've had some trouble with the save/load code. I initially tried saving the game by simply calling on a library called "XStream" to dump everything to an in-memory XML representation (actually several - one with all data for the host, and then one with only the data that each player knows about for each player), and then I zipped that up and saved it to some files. Problem is, that was really slow because the XML representation was absolutely HUGE so it took forever to create it and zip it up. Also, savegames would be incompatible if I changed even the slightest thing in the game classes. I then tried using a library called "Hibernate" to put it all in a database (the DBMS is called "Derby" and it's only 2MB and is really easy to set up a database with programmatically!) and then zip up the database, but it took forever for Hibernate to create the database schema. (Though I guess I could just generate the code to create schema once and save it to a file included with the game so that file could just be run against the database; I'm not sure yet if the slow part is creating the code or executing it against the database!) So I was wondering how you handled saving and loading in your game... have you come up with any clever solution that I might want to borrow? Or are you just using something like the binary serialization built into .NET? Razz

(I haven't tried Java's binary serialization yet; I figured that would make things *really* incompatible between game versions!)
Thanks!
-Ed

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Game over, boys!

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