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Re: Don't Let the Stars Fade Away

Mon, 21 May 2007 14:54

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Well, Coyote essentially nailed it. Stars! is fine as it is; its very purity is its attraction. Those of us trying to expand on the concept can merely add in components that take away from the sense of freedom that Stars! provides and thus appeal to a more specific audience. Perhaps one who prefers to be part of a story rather than conjuring them.

As for myself, I guess my direction would be more towards characterisation. The idea of the player as a living entity, with physical location in-game (take out the head, take down the empire?) and a chain of command that has you directly issuing orders to personnel as opposed to objects. I'd like to see planets founding regiments with skillsets suited to their homeworld type/terrain, and planet specialisations that lets you devote worlds to industry or farming, etc, and develop certain types of tech there. To that end, i'd be rid of the tech tree (mass roll out of new technology across the entire empire in the same turn that it's developed is kinda' off, no?) and give players PvE 'quest-like' tasks that have you obtaining new tech by completing objectives, then choose a world to prototype it on. But ultimately, i'd like to feel like i had a professional military, rather than thinking what i want to do with my various fleets, keeping that all in my head, then generally just consigned to zerging, or however you dress it up. Even if it's a bit like fluff to have ships assigned to squadrons, squadrons assigned to battlegroups, and so on. Base of operations, resupply, refueling, patrolling. Plan out crusades against entire sectors, issuing beforehand what ships will hold what line, where ground troops will be deployed, protecting your supply routes as you advance. A List of honours for regimental worlds whose forces have the most victories under their flag. I could go on forever, i really could.

And voila, it's not really Stars! any more. I like to think i know about design, and Stars! wrapped up the genre pretty damn well. It all feels a bit futile at times. Ideas are all very well, but so many 4x games fail precisely because they're so brimming with ideas that sound great on paper but don't work well in practice. More is less? Almost makes me wonder if Supernova would've been as popular as Stars! had it ever shipped.

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