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Re: Meta-morph

Thu, 20 February 2003 18:25

johng316

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Hi Freaky,

An interesting idea, and I would encourage you to test it out a bit.

Thinking out loud.... please indulge me a bit..... While your suggested design has lots of nice firepower (much more than the CA), you still run into weight and initiative problems. you can compensate for initiative by putting on a couple of SBCs, but that increases your resources cost quite a bit.

If you take gattlings (range 2), I'll take a range 3 beam on a much lighter ship. If you take range 3 beams, I can take Range 3 or Range 2 on the Cruiser, get first shot, and (if I take Range 2), have significantly lower cost. If you take range 2, I take range 3, and you never get a shot off because of your weight.

Heavy Blaster MM
MM Hull (500 Armor)
8 Heavy Blasters (Total initiative 7)
5 Flux Capacitors (249% increase in beam strength)
4 Gorilla Shields (700 shields)
Tech 9 Ram Scoop
Total cost (assuming no miniaturization):
Resources: 403
Iron: 85
Bora: 224
Germ: 112
Mass: 167

Mark IV Blaster CA (HE, same tech levels)
CA Hull (700 Armor)
4 Mark IV Blasters (total initiative 12)
2 Tech 15 Sappers (total initiative of 19)
2 Flux Capacitors (144% increase in beams)
2 Gorilla Shields (350 Shields)
Tech 9 Ram Scoops
Total cost (assuming no miniaturization):
Resources: 245
Iron: 60
Bora: 61
Germ: 72
Mass: 142

On a resource expenditure basis, I can buy 1.6 cruisers for every MM the other guy buys. If you don't have ramscoops, the 3 engines on the MM will compound the resource cost and weight issues.

1 MM has 20 virtual heavy blasters (8 * 2.49). 500 Armor and 700 shields.

1.6 CAs have 9.2 virtual Mark IV (4 * 1.44 * 1.6), PLUS 4.6 Sappers (2 * 1.44 * 1.6). 1.6 CAs also get 1120 armor and 560 shields.

The CAs will have first shot, which will help. The MM is more vulnerable to torpedos with only 500 armor, and against the sappers, the resource-equivalent MM stack will probably lose his shields faster and suffer attrition a round or two before the CA stack does (though I have no ...

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		Re: Meta-morph By: freakyboy on Tue, 18 February 2003 16:59
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		Re: Meta-morph By: Hetzer on Wed, 19 February 2003 15:05
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		Re: Meta-morph By: zoid on Fri, 21 February 2003 01:06
		Re: Meta-morph By: BackBlast on Thu, 20 February 2003 03:04
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		Re: Meta-morph By: johng316 on Thu, 20 February 2003 10:42
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		Re: Meta-morph By: yucaf on Sat, 22 February 2003 11:59
		Re: Meta-morph By: The Taubat on Thu, 20 February 2003 11:36
		Re: Meta-morph By: freakyboy on Thu, 20 February 2003 16:13
		Re: Meta-morph By: johng316 on Thu, 20 February 2003 18:25
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Tue, 16 December 2003 19:12
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		Re: Meta-morph By: timmy on Tue, 06 January 2004 04:21
		Re: Meta-morph By: iztok on Tue, 06 January 2004 08:59
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		Re: Meta-morph By: timmy on Wed, 07 January 2004 21:31
		Re: Meta-morph By: alexdstewart on Thu, 08 January 2004 01:11
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		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Fri, 09 January 2004 02:50
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		Re: Meta-morph By: schpat on Fri, 23 January 2004 05:24
		Battle simulator (Re: Meta-morph) By: Micha on Fri, 23 January 2004 06:04
		Re: Battle simulator (Re: Meta-morph) By: iztok on Fri, 23 January 2004 10:11
		Re: Battle simulator (Re: Meta-morph) By: Micha on Fri, 23 January 2004 11:09
		Re: Meta-morph By: zoid on Sat, 03 January 2004 05:17
		Re: Meta-morph By: Sotek on Sat, 03 January 2004 05:36
		Re: Meta-morph By: zoid on Mon, 19 January 2004 21:54
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		Re: Meta-morph By: iztok on Wed, 21 January 2004 04:53
		Re: Meta-morph By: LEit on Wed, 21 January 2004 09:33
		Re: Meta-morph By: mlaub on Wed, 21 January 2004 12:06
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		Re: Meta-morph By: Kotk on Wed, 21 January 2004 15:09
		Re: Meta-morph By: iztok on Fri, 23 January 2004 03:36
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Fri, 23 January 2004 03:50
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		Re: Meta-morph By: Kotk on Sun, 25 January 2004 06:15
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		Re: Meta-morph By: Kotk on Mon, 26 January 2004 05:44
		Re: Meta-morph By: iztok on Sun, 25 January 2004 20:04
		Re: Meta-morph By: alexdstewart on Sun, 25 January 2004 21:11
		Re: Meta-morph By: iztok on Mon, 26 January 2004 05:26
		Re: Meta-morph By: alexdstewart on Sun, 25 January 2004 21:22
		Re: Meta-morph By: Kotk on Mon, 26 January 2004 06:32
		Re: Meta-morph By: iztok on Mon, 26 January 2004 09:48
		Re: Meta-morph By: Kotk on Mon, 26 January 2004 13:04
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Mon, 26 January 2004 17:11
		Re: Meta-morph By: iztok on Wed, 28 January 2004 02:34
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		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Fri, 30 January 2004 20:41
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		Re: Meta-morph By: Sotek on Wed, 21 January 2004 17:20
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Wed, 21 January 2004 18:13
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Wed, 21 January 2004 18:29
		Re: Meta-morph By: Sotek on Wed, 21 January 2004 22:35
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		Re: Meta-morph By: Steve1 on Thu, 22 January 2004 10:26
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		Re: Meta-morph By: Steve1 on Fri, 23 January 2004 11:08
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