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Thu, 20 February 2003 10:42

johng316

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freakyboy wrote on Thu, 20 February 2003 03:34

The meta will always be a better beamer than the cruiser. Just slap the 20% capacitor in that general 8 slot and you're laughing all the way to the bank.

Freaky, the benefit you receive from capacitors is capped at a 250% increase in beam efficiency. More than 5 flux capacitors is a waste.

1.2 * 1.2 * 1.2 * 1.2 * 1.2 = 2.49 (249%)

I'll add some additional comments to the ongoing comparisons. Smile

IMO, comparing an early Jihad CC to an early Jihad MM is a bit of a waste of breath. I understand what you're trying to do with an "academic" discussion, but both of these designs are so vulnerable to obsolescence I think most wise players would build them only in very limited numbers. In most games, the "jihad cruiser" era is very short. As soon as Jihad BBs come on the scene, especially with SBCs, both the Jihad cruiser and the Jihad MM (without jamming and limited shields/armor) will be toast.

Of course, every game and every situation calls for different tactics and ship designs, so these are "in general" comments. There are always situations where conventional wisdom flies out the window.

The largest problem with the MM as a beamer is weight. It is almost always heavier than comparable cruisers, so this almost begs for Range 3 beams. Range 3 beams are very costly in minerals and resources, AND they compound the MM's initiaive problem.

There are situations where the MM is a better front-line combat ship, but I believe those are windows of opportunity, and they tend to be brief. This can be useful if you are trying to destroy a large enemy investment with a comparatively lower investment. However, most of these designs are a temporary solution at best designed for a specific combat mission.

Here are some ideas for reasonably early MM designs that are useful throughout the game over the long term:

Sapper MM:
8 X Best Sapper
4 X Capacitor or Flux
Round out the rest of the slots with good engines, jets or overth ...

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		Re: Meta-morph By: The Taubat on Tue, 18 February 2003 14:10
		Re: Meta-morph By: freakyboy on Tue, 18 February 2003 16:59
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		Re: Meta-morph By: freakyboy on Thu, 20 February 2003 16:13
		Re: Meta-morph By: johng316 on Thu, 20 February 2003 18:25
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