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Re: Meta-morph

Thu, 20 February 2003 03:04

BackBlast

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I'll start by saying I like HE. I'm a newbie in terms of my stars! playing experience. I'm in my first PBEM game, I'm also playing HE. Though I have done much analysis in the art of logistics and ship design.

The first problem that I see with the comparisons so far are the focuses on base armor and initiative. Let us look at the strengths of each hull. Cruiser has indeed higher initiative (5 vs 2), and a slightly higher base armor (700 vs 500). The cruiser also only get 2 elect/mec slots and 2 general slots as opposed to the versatile Meta Morph. This seems somewhat akin to BB vs Nubian, though a slightly less important (one race gets Metas) and different question (ever so slightly). Nubians get their advantage from not the number of weapons, but from defensive systems and their price. So lets make all out war vehicles with both of them.

I'm going to assume tech 12 everything. For simplicity, I will have no miniturization (I don't want to make a test bed with exactly tech 12 everywhere, heh).

We'll start with missles since everyone is oddly fond of them... (I think this design was used in an earlier post)

Jihad CC:
2x Alpha 8
2x SBC
2x Bear
6x Jihad
700 armor, 200 shields
302 I 83 B 126 G 263 R

Jihad MM:
3x Alpha 8
4x SBC
3x Bear
2x J 20
5x Jihad
500 armor, 300 shields
296 I 77 B 188 G 389 R

So we can now decide what we want to make the limiting factor. In the particular era it would probably be resources for an HE who gets to make this choice. 263/389 is roughly equal to 6/9. So 9 cruisers 263*9 = 2367 R and 9 Metas 389*2334 R. 2 runs gives me the same results, 6 Metas at 33-36% damage, and 9 dead cruisers. Don't even get my started on how much more Iron the CCs are using. More computers would have helped the design though. Germ cost is about at the same proportions as the resources. The important thing that swings things the Metas way is the jamming in this scenario. I like only having 5 jihads in the 8 slot to balance iron cost for the defences available ...

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		Meta-morph By: The Taubat on Mon, 17 February 2003 10:07
		Re: Meta-morph By: Crusader on Mon, 17 February 2003 23:30
		Re: Meta-morph By: Ron on Tue, 18 February 2003 10:59
		Re: Meta-morph By: Crusader on Tue, 18 February 2003 14:44
		Re: Meta-morph By: Hetzer on Tue, 18 February 2003 01:09
		Re: Meta-morph By: freakyboy on Tue, 18 February 2003 03:28
		Re: Meta-morph By: gible on Tue, 18 February 2003 04:36
		Re: Meta-morph By: The Taubat on Tue, 18 February 2003 10:17
		Re: Meta-morph By: johng316 on Tue, 18 February 2003 12:32
		Re: Meta-morph By: The Taubat on Tue, 18 February 2003 14:10
		Re: Meta-morph By: freakyboy on Tue, 18 February 2003 16:59
		Re: Meta-morph By: zoid on Wed, 19 February 2003 03:28
		Re: Meta-morph By: Hetzer on Wed, 19 February 2003 15:05
		Re: Meta-morph By: The Taubat on Wed, 19 February 2003 22:24
		Re: Meta-morph By: zoid on Fri, 21 February 2003 01:06
		Re: Meta-morph By: BackBlast on Thu, 20 February 2003 03:04
		Re: Meta-morph By: freakyboy on Thu, 20 February 2003 03:34
		Re: Meta-morph By: johng316 on Thu, 20 February 2003 10:42
		Re: Meta-morph By: zoid on Fri, 21 February 2003 00:56
		Re: Meta-morph By: yucaf on Sat, 22 February 2003 11:59
		Re: Meta-morph By: The Taubat on Thu, 20 February 2003 11:36
		Re: Meta-morph By: freakyboy on Thu, 20 February 2003 16:13
		Re: Meta-morph By: johng316 on Thu, 20 February 2003 18:25
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Tue, 16 December 2003 19:12
		Re: Meta-morph By: bigdave on Wed, 24 December 2003 06:19
		Re: Meta-morph By: Sotek on Thu, 25 December 2003 00:12
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Thu, 25 December 2003 03:15
		Re: Meta-morph By: Sotek on Thu, 25 December 2003 03:53
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Thu, 25 December 2003 21:03
		Re: Meta-morph By: Sotek on Thu, 25 December 2003 21:49
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Fri, 26 December 2003 20:46
		Re: Meta-morph By: alexdstewart on Sun, 28 December 2003 18:00
		Re: Meta-morph By: Sotek on Sat, 03 January 2004 05:38
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Sat, 03 January 2004 14:03
		Re: Meta-morph By: Sotek on Sat, 03 January 2004 14:43
		Re: Meta-morph By: alexdstewart on Sat, 03 January 2004 16:43
		Re: Meta-morph By: Sotek on Sat, 03 January 2004 18:45
		Re: Meta-morph By: Nevski on Sat, 03 January 2004 20:50
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Sun, 04 January 2004 00:32
		Re: Meta-morph By: Sotek on Sun, 04 January 2004 01:53
		Re: Meta-morph By: Orca on Sun, 04 January 2004 02:38
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Sun, 04 January 2004 00:24
		Re: Meta-morph By: Sotek on Sun, 04 January 2004 01:52
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Sun, 04 January 2004 15:22
		Re: Meta-morph By: alexdstewart on Sun, 04 January 2004 21:12
		Re: Meta-morph By: LEit on Sun, 04 January 2004 21:25
		Re: Meta-morph By: alexdstewart on Mon, 05 January 2004 21:09
		Re: Meta-morph By: Sotek on Mon, 05 January 2004 21:35
		Re: Meta-morph By: alexdstewart on Tue, 06 January 2004 00:07
		Re: Meta-morph By: Sotek on Tue, 06 January 2004 00:14
		Re: Meta-morph By: alexdstewart on Tue, 06 January 2004 00:49
		Re: Meta-morph By: timmy on Tue, 06 January 2004 04:21
		Re: Meta-morph By: iztok on Tue, 06 January 2004 08:59
		Re: Meta-morph By: alexdstewart on Tue, 06 January 2004 15:10
		Re: Meta-morph By: timmy on Wed, 07 January 2004 21:31
		Re: Meta-morph By: alexdstewart on Thu, 08 January 2004 01:11
		Re: Meta-morph By: timmy on Thu, 08 January 2004 01:34
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Fri, 09 January 2004 02:50
		Re: Meta-morph By: Kotk on Fri, 09 January 2004 09:01
		Re: Meta-morph By: LEit on Fri, 09 January 2004 09:48
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Sat, 10 January 2004 11:10
		Re: Meta-morph By: iztok on Mon, 12 January 2004 02:18
		Re: Meta-morph By: Kotk on Mon, 12 January 2004 07:12
		Re: Meta-morph By: schpat on Fri, 23 January 2004 05:24
		Battle simulator (Re: Meta-morph) By: Micha on Fri, 23 January 2004 06:04
		Re: Battle simulator (Re: Meta-morph) By: iztok on Fri, 23 January 2004 10:11
		Re: Battle simulator (Re: Meta-morph) By: Micha on Fri, 23 January 2004 11:09
		Re: Meta-morph By: zoid on Sat, 03 January 2004 05:17
		Re: Meta-morph By: Sotek on Sat, 03 January 2004 05:36
		Re: Meta-morph By: zoid on Mon, 19 January 2004 21:54
		Re: Meta-morph By: iztok on Tue, 20 January 2004 09:00
		Re: Meta-morph By: zoid on Tue, 20 January 2004 20:01
		Re: Meta-morph By: iztok on Wed, 21 January 2004 04:53
		Re: Meta-morph By: LEit on Wed, 21 January 2004 09:33
		Re: Meta-morph By: mlaub on Wed, 21 January 2004 12:06
		Re: Meta-morph By: LEit on Wed, 21 January 2004 12:39
		Re: Meta-morph By: mlaub on Wed, 21 January 2004 14:04
		Re: Meta-morph By: Kotk on Wed, 21 January 2004 15:09
		Re: Meta-morph By: iztok on Fri, 23 January 2004 03:36
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Fri, 23 January 2004 03:50
		Re: Meta-morph By: iztok on Fri, 23 January 2004 09:43
		Re: Meta-morph By: Kotk on Sun, 25 January 2004 06:15
		Re: Meta-morph By: mlaub on Sun, 25 January 2004 16:19
		Re: Meta-morph By: Kotk on Mon, 26 January 2004 05:44
		Re: Meta-morph By: iztok on Sun, 25 January 2004 20:04
		Re: Meta-morph By: alexdstewart on Sun, 25 January 2004 21:11
		Re: Meta-morph By: iztok on Mon, 26 January 2004 05:26
		Re: Meta-morph By: alexdstewart on Sun, 25 January 2004 21:22
		Re: Meta-morph By: Kotk on Mon, 26 January 2004 06:32
		Re: Meta-morph By: iztok on Mon, 26 January 2004 09:48
		Re: Meta-morph By: Kotk on Mon, 26 January 2004 13:04
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Mon, 26 January 2004 17:11
		Re: Meta-morph By: iztok on Wed, 28 January 2004 02:34
		Re: Meta-morph By: Kotk on Wed, 28 January 2004 07:20
		Re: Meta-morph By: iztok on Wed, 28 January 2004 09:15
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Fri, 30 January 2004 04:00
		Re: Meta-morph By: Kotk on Fri, 30 January 2004 11:59
		Re: Meta-morph By: zoid on Fri, 30 January 2004 17:59
		Re: Meta-morph By: Sotek on Fri, 30 January 2004 20:18
		Re: Meta-morph By: Kotk on Sat, 31 January 2004 07:02
		Re: Meta-morph By: Sotek on Sat, 31 January 2004 07:31
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Fri, 30 January 2004 20:41
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Fri, 30 January 2004 20:19
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Wed, 21 January 2004 15:23
		Re: Meta-morph By: Sotek on Mon, 19 January 2004 23:27
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Tue, 20 January 2004 00:20
		Re: Meta-morph By: alexdstewart on Tue, 20 January 2004 20:18
		Re: Meta-morph By: timmy on Tue, 20 January 2004 21:02
		Re: Meta-morph By: zoid on Tue, 20 January 2004 22:09
		Re: Meta-morph By: zoid on Tue, 20 January 2004 22:40
		Re: Meta-morph By: Sotek on Wed, 21 January 2004 17:20
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Wed, 21 January 2004 18:13
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Wed, 21 January 2004 18:29
		Re: Meta-morph By: Sotek on Wed, 21 January 2004 22:35
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Thu, 22 January 2004 00:12
		Re: Meta-morph By: Steve1 on Thu, 22 January 2004 10:26
		Re: Meta-morph By: Steve1 on Fri, 23 January 2004 10:53
		battle sim (Re: Meta-morph) By: Micha on Fri, 23 January 2004 10:59
		Re: Meta-morph By: mlaub on Fri, 23 January 2004 16:16
		Re: Meta-morph By: Steve1 on Fri, 23 January 2004 11:08
		Re: Meta-morph By: Steve1 on Fri, 23 January 2004 11:13

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