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Re: Meta-morph

Sun, 25 January 2004 16:19

mlaub

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Kotk wrote on Sun, 25 January 2004 05:15

The real beauty of HE is not in the first 50 years, where 5% is strong enough. Yes you cannot get 35k and Jugger BBs in real game by 2450 like in packed testbed, but then again... who can anyway? JOATs, ITs and CAs but these are boring. It is the next 10 years that will usually turn the tables completely.

Actually, I had a pretty good rant about this in the NG a while ago. People seem to be overly emphasizing the resources @ Y50 thing. Yes, it can make a difference, yes you can overpower the expensive techs and expensive industry, but is it the *only* sound strategy for HE? No, not IMO. In most cases, I'd opt for a 4% HE, if there is a no CA rule.

My best 4% HE *ever*, hit 12k@Y50. Go ahead, laugh all you want, but that same race consistently hits Weap 16, Con 13, and Prop 12, and if IIRC Energy 14 at the same year. That was not in a testbed, folks, that was in several games. Resources consistently double every 10 years after Y50, till the end of the game (the race is pop growth and planet limited, not resources to build factories). This usually includes while it is at war. With 4.5 cheap techs, and industry costs at a minimum, the actual amount left over from growth cost is actually *more* than most races have, unless they completely abandon tech and growth for a massive ship building campaign.

I've hit Nubs at Y67. If no one has seriously challenged it by Y85, resources should be at 100k, at least...Look out. With more metal than an AR, and an industrial base to match, only a CA can do *better* (eg.. resources alone mean squat if you have no metal.)

-Matt

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		Meta-morph By: The Taubat on Mon, 17 February 2003 10:07
		Re: Meta-morph By: Crusader on Mon, 17 February 2003 23:30
		Re: Meta-morph By: Ron on Tue, 18 February 2003 10:59
		Re: Meta-morph By: Crusader on Tue, 18 February 2003 14:44
		Re: Meta-morph By: Hetzer on Tue, 18 February 2003 01:09
		Re: Meta-morph By: freakyboy on Tue, 18 February 2003 03:28
		Re: Meta-morph By: gible on Tue, 18 February 2003 04:36
		Re: Meta-morph By: The Taubat on Tue, 18 February 2003 10:17
		Re: Meta-morph By: johng316 on Tue, 18 February 2003 12:32
		Re: Meta-morph By: The Taubat on Tue, 18 February 2003 14:10
		Re: Meta-morph By: freakyboy on Tue, 18 February 2003 16:59
		Re: Meta-morph By: zoid on Wed, 19 February 2003 03:28
		Re: Meta-morph By: Hetzer on Wed, 19 February 2003 15:05
		Re: Meta-morph By: The Taubat on Wed, 19 February 2003 22:24
		Re: Meta-morph By: zoid on Fri, 21 February 2003 01:06
		Re: Meta-morph By: BackBlast on Thu, 20 February 2003 03:04
		Re: Meta-morph By: freakyboy on Thu, 20 February 2003 03:34
		Re: Meta-morph By: johng316 on Thu, 20 February 2003 10:42
		Re: Meta-morph By: zoid on Fri, 21 February 2003 00:56
		Re: Meta-morph By: yucaf on Sat, 22 February 2003 11:59
		Re: Meta-morph By: The Taubat on Thu, 20 February 2003 11:36
		Re: Meta-morph By: freakyboy on Thu, 20 February 2003 16:13
		Re: Meta-morph By: johng316 on Thu, 20 February 2003 18:25
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Tue, 16 December 2003 19:12
		Re: Meta-morph By: bigdave on Wed, 24 December 2003 06:19
		Re: Meta-morph By: Sotek on Thu, 25 December 2003 00:12
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Thu, 25 December 2003 03:15
		Re: Meta-morph By: Sotek on Thu, 25 December 2003 03:53
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Thu, 25 December 2003 21:03
		Re: Meta-morph By: Sotek on Thu, 25 December 2003 21:49
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Fri, 26 December 2003 20:46
		Re: Meta-morph By: alexdstewart on Sun, 28 December 2003 18:00
		Re: Meta-morph By: Sotek on Sat, 03 January 2004 05:38
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Sat, 03 January 2004 14:03
		Re: Meta-morph By: Sotek on Sat, 03 January 2004 14:43
		Re: Meta-morph By: alexdstewart on Sat, 03 January 2004 16:43
		Re: Meta-morph By: Sotek on Sat, 03 January 2004 18:45
		Re: Meta-morph By: Nevski on Sat, 03 January 2004 20:50
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Sun, 04 January 2004 00:32
		Re: Meta-morph By: Sotek on Sun, 04 January 2004 01:53
		Re: Meta-morph By: Orca on Sun, 04 January 2004 02:38
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Sun, 04 January 2004 00:24
		Re: Meta-morph By: Sotek on Sun, 04 January 2004 01:52
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Sun, 04 January 2004 15:22
		Re: Meta-morph By: alexdstewart on Sun, 04 January 2004 21:12
		Re: Meta-morph By: LEit on Sun, 04 January 2004 21:25
		Re: Meta-morph By: alexdstewart on Mon, 05 January 2004 21:09
		Re: Meta-morph By: Sotek on Mon, 05 January 2004 21:35
		Re: Meta-morph By: alexdstewart on Tue, 06 January 2004 00:07
		Re: Meta-morph By: Sotek on Tue, 06 January 2004 00:14
		Re: Meta-morph By: alexdstewart on Tue, 06 January 2004 00:49
		Re: Meta-morph By: timmy on Tue, 06 January 2004 04:21
		Re: Meta-morph By: iztok on Tue, 06 January 2004 08:59
		Re: Meta-morph By: alexdstewart on Tue, 06 January 2004 15:10
		Re: Meta-morph By: timmy on Wed, 07 January 2004 21:31
		Re: Meta-morph By: alexdstewart on Thu, 08 January 2004 01:11
		Re: Meta-morph By: timmy on Thu, 08 January 2004 01:34
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Fri, 09 January 2004 02:50
		Re: Meta-morph By: Kotk on Fri, 09 January 2004 09:01
		Re: Meta-morph By: LEit on Fri, 09 January 2004 09:48
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Sat, 10 January 2004 11:10
		Re: Meta-morph By: iztok on Mon, 12 January 2004 02:18
		Re: Meta-morph By: Kotk on Mon, 12 January 2004 07:12
		Re: Meta-morph By: schpat on Fri, 23 January 2004 05:24
		Battle simulator (Re: Meta-morph) By: Micha on Fri, 23 January 2004 06:04
		Re: Battle simulator (Re: Meta-morph) By: iztok on Fri, 23 January 2004 10:11
		Re: Battle simulator (Re: Meta-morph) By: Micha on Fri, 23 January 2004 11:09
		Re: Meta-morph By: zoid on Sat, 03 January 2004 05:17
		Re: Meta-morph By: Sotek on Sat, 03 January 2004 05:36
		Re: Meta-morph By: zoid on Mon, 19 January 2004 21:54
		Re: Meta-morph By: iztok on Tue, 20 January 2004 09:00
		Re: Meta-morph By: zoid on Tue, 20 January 2004 20:01
		Re: Meta-morph By: iztok on Wed, 21 January 2004 04:53
		Re: Meta-morph By: LEit on Wed, 21 January 2004 09:33
		Re: Meta-morph By: mlaub on Wed, 21 January 2004 12:06
		Re: Meta-morph By: LEit on Wed, 21 January 2004 12:39
		Re: Meta-morph By: mlaub on Wed, 21 January 2004 14:04
		Re: Meta-morph By: Kotk on Wed, 21 January 2004 15:09
		Re: Meta-morph By: iztok on Fri, 23 January 2004 03:36
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Fri, 23 January 2004 03:50
		Re: Meta-morph By: iztok on Fri, 23 January 2004 09:43
		Re: Meta-morph By: Kotk on Sun, 25 January 2004 06:15
		Re: Meta-morph By: mlaub on Sun, 25 January 2004 16:19
		Re: Meta-morph By: Kotk on Mon, 26 January 2004 05:44
		Re: Meta-morph By: iztok on Sun, 25 January 2004 20:04
		Re: Meta-morph By: alexdstewart on Sun, 25 January 2004 21:11
		Re: Meta-morph By: iztok on Mon, 26 January 2004 05:26
		Re: Meta-morph By: alexdstewart on Sun, 25 January 2004 21:22
		Re: Meta-morph By: Kotk on Mon, 26 January 2004 06:32
		Re: Meta-morph By: iztok on Mon, 26 January 2004 09:48
		Re: Meta-morph By: Kotk on Mon, 26 January 2004 13:04
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Mon, 26 January 2004 17:11
		Re: Meta-morph By: iztok on Wed, 28 January 2004 02:34
		Re: Meta-morph By: Kotk on Wed, 28 January 2004 07:20
		Re: Meta-morph By: iztok on Wed, 28 January 2004 09:15
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Fri, 30 January 2004 04:00
		Re: Meta-morph By: Kotk on Fri, 30 January 2004 11:59
		Re: Meta-morph By: zoid on Fri, 30 January 2004 17:59
		Re: Meta-morph By: Sotek on Fri, 30 January 2004 20:18
		Re: Meta-morph By: Kotk on Sat, 31 January 2004 07:02
		Re: Meta-morph By: Sotek on Sat, 31 January 2004 07:31
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Fri, 30 January 2004 20:41
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Fri, 30 January 2004 20:19
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Wed, 21 January 2004 15:23
		Re: Meta-morph By: Sotek on Mon, 19 January 2004 23:27
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Tue, 20 January 2004 00:20
		Re: Meta-morph By: alexdstewart on Tue, 20 January 2004 20:18
		Re: Meta-morph By: timmy on Tue, 20 January 2004 21:02
		Re: Meta-morph By: zoid on Tue, 20 January 2004 22:09
		Re: Meta-morph By: zoid on Tue, 20 January 2004 22:40
		Re: Meta-morph By: Sotek on Wed, 21 January 2004 17:20
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Wed, 21 January 2004 18:13
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Wed, 21 January 2004 18:29
		Re: Meta-morph By: Sotek on Wed, 21 January 2004 22:35
		Re: Meta-morph By: multilis on Thu, 22 January 2004 00:12
		Re: Meta-morph By: Steve1 on Thu, 22 January 2004 10:26
		Re: Meta-morph By: Steve1 on Fri, 23 January 2004 10:53
		battle sim (Re: Meta-morph) By: Micha on Fri, 23 January 2004 10:59
		Re: Meta-morph By: mlaub on Fri, 23 January 2004 16:16
		Re: Meta-morph By: Steve1 on Fri, 23 January 2004 11:08
		Re: Meta-morph By: Steve1 on Fri, 23 January 2004 11:13

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