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Sun, 12 March 2006 22:13

Dogthinkers

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I think kotk is getting fairly close to the mark there. I agree that it is better balance by weakening the econ-strong races a little bit, rather than strengthening the econ-weak races, as it lengthens the period before nubians start to make all the races look similar... The game is not very imbalanced as it stands, so we must be very very gentle. So what if a JOAT/CA gets to Nubs first? It should! However if a SS race gets there 5 years later the JOAT is not in such a great position any more...

Some minor LRT changes are important. NAS definately should not give points to JOATs. OBRM should not give points to anybody, except perhaps AR. If you fix the JOAT NAS cost, then JOAT doesn't need a penalty at all...

I don't think normal-growth HE race should be penalised at all... I wonder if it is possible to reduce the number of points it gets from low growth rates instead...

I'd suggest something like this:
HE +0 AND decrease points gained by going to very low growth rates (say -50 points at 6%)
SD -25
SS +0
PP +50 OR improve packet terraforming efficiency
WM +0
IT -25
CA -150 OR remove instaforming (leave rest unchanged)
AR +0
IS -25
JT +0 AND make NAS cost points
OBRM should be zero or negative cost for all races except AR

Other LRT tweaks would be nice, to make under-used LRTs more appealing (especially UR, GR, MA, ARM)

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