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Wed, 15 February 2006 02:12

Madman

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multilis wrote on Wed, 15 February 2006 16:14

Here is a survey for changes to CA PRT. We can do others after to try for an unofficial patch most of us would want to switch to.

I'd be a little conservative about weakening CA too much. At the moment, it is overpowerful, but it would be bad to make it too weak. This would be the beginning of a slippery slope [NOTE: I'm not suggesting any of these, simply indicating a direction I don't want to see]:
CA instaforming too powerful? Weaken it quite a lot.
IT is unbalanced with the inf/inf gates or gating cargo? Take one of them away.
JoaT too much of an economic powerhouse? halve it's auto-scanning range and have only 10% larger planets.
SD can wreak havoc with minefields? take away the auto-detonation
... etc, untill all the races are quite bland.

One of the things that I like about Stars is that the races are _really_ different - the different race abilities _are_ powerful.

With that in mind, here's what I'd ideally do to CA:
(1) Either one of: (a) terrforming some reduced cost (say half?) and OAs more expensive but still gateable or (b) terraforming full cost, but keep OAs cheap.
(2) I'd make CA a little bit more expensive in the race wizard in either case - the good econ races should cost a little more, and CA will be an econ race unless you cripple it completely.
(3) I'd also keep the small chance of permanent hab change - that adds flavour to the race. Also keep the detection of other race's hab ranges.

Perhaps this leaves CA a little stronger than many PRTs, but I'd rather that than cripple it to the point where no-one wants to play it. The point of a patch is to not have it _way_ out in front, it's fine to be a good PRT.

I'm not sure how feasible these are, but those would be my choices if there was complete flexibilty of what to do.

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		Unofficial patch... By: multilis on Sun, 12 February 2006 12:37
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: iztok on Sun, 12 February 2006 13:21
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Madman on Sun, 12 February 2006 15:20
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: multilis on Sun, 12 February 2006 16:21
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Madman on Sun, 12 February 2006 17:57
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Madman on Sun, 12 February 2006 18:16
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: multilis on Sun, 12 February 2006 18:49
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Kotk on Mon, 13 February 2006 06:57
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Ptolemy on Mon, 13 February 2006 21:15
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: LEit on Mon, 13 February 2006 21:28
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: iztok on Tue, 14 February 2006 08:46
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: multilis on Tue, 14 February 2006 22:12
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: multilis on Tue, 14 February 2006 22:14
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Kelzar on Tue, 14 February 2006 23:56
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: multilis on Wed, 15 February 2006 00:50
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Kelzar on Wed, 15 February 2006 08:13
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Madman on Wed, 15 February 2006 02:12
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: gible on Wed, 15 February 2006 04:00
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Madman on Wed, 15 February 2006 05:32
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Kotk on Wed, 15 February 2006 05:34
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Madman on Wed, 15 February 2006 05:46
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Kotk on Wed, 15 February 2006 05:54
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: iztok on Wed, 15 February 2006 07:46
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Kotk on Wed, 15 February 2006 08:39
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: multilis on Wed, 15 February 2006 10:19
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: LEit on Wed, 15 February 2006 10:47
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: mazda on Wed, 15 February 2006 10:48
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Madman on Wed, 15 February 2006 13:18
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Kotk on Wed, 15 February 2006 13:51
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Madman on Wed, 15 February 2006 15:10
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: multilis on Wed, 15 February 2006 15:25
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		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Madman on Wed, 15 February 2006 16:39
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		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Madman on Fri, 03 March 2006 22:46
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		Re: Unofficial patch... By: multilis on Fri, 10 March 2006 23:57
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Ptolemy on Sat, 11 March 2006 00:33
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: multilis on Sat, 11 March 2006 01:17
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Ptolemy on Sat, 11 March 2006 02:01
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		Re: Unofficial patch... By: multilis on Mon, 03 April 2006 21:53
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: iztok on Tue, 04 April 2006 01:33
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		Re: Unofficial patch... By: gible on Mon, 13 March 2006 03:10
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Madman on Mon, 13 March 2006 07:41
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: PricklyPea on Wed, 05 April 2006 12:30
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: iztok on Thu, 06 April 2006 02:21
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: LEit on Thu, 06 April 2006 11:11
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Kotk on Thu, 06 April 2006 13:12
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: PricklyPea on Thu, 06 April 2006 14:57
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Kotk on Thu, 06 April 2006 16:17
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Marduk on Thu, 06 April 2006 17:35
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: crr65536 on Thu, 06 April 2006 19:04
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: PricklyPea on Thu, 06 April 2006 19:34
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Marduk on Fri, 07 April 2006 03:38
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: PricklyPea on Fri, 07 April 2006 08:13
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: m.a@stars on Fri, 07 April 2006 15:05
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Marduk on Sat, 08 April 2006 13:29
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: m.a@stars on Tue, 11 April 2006 12:40
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: LEit on Tue, 11 April 2006 15:09
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Madman on Wed, 12 April 2006 00:49
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: m.a@stars on Wed, 12 April 2006 10:31
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