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Sun, 12 February 2006 15:20

Madman

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Three problems:

- Getting agreement on what patches are required. It is quite a big shift from one version of Stars! to more than one version as you just aren't going to get agreement on that on more than one or two changes - probably only universal agreement would be that CA is too strong, and JOAT with NAS is broken, and _maybe_ some PRTs, but no agreement how to fix them. Although if authost did switch to some patch and _only_ ran that version for new games, everyone would probably follow.

- For any change that alters executable code and isn't just a number change, patching the binary has a real risk of making the game buggy in some way - not all the code interactions are obvious.

- Because the server doesn't completely check the submitted turn files, I'g gues that there is a risk of some sort of problems if the patches in the server don't match the patches in the client.

It's still a good idea to come up with well thought out fixes for any balance problems - I'm really hoping that FreeStars will be out some day, and these sorts of ideas would be entirely appropriate for that for things that really needs fixing (although in most cases waiting until after version 1.0).

It's also worth noting that VML had a bit of a following for a while - but that was quite a radical set of changes.

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		Unofficial patch... By: multilis on Sun, 12 February 2006 12:37
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: iztok on Sun, 12 February 2006 13:21
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Madman on Sun, 12 February 2006 15:20
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: multilis on Sun, 12 February 2006 16:21
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Madman on Sun, 12 February 2006 17:57
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Madman on Sun, 12 February 2006 18:16
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: multilis on Sun, 12 February 2006 18:49
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Kotk on Mon, 13 February 2006 06:57
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Ptolemy on Mon, 13 February 2006 21:15
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: LEit on Mon, 13 February 2006 21:28
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: iztok on Tue, 14 February 2006 08:46
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: multilis on Tue, 14 February 2006 22:12
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: multilis on Tue, 14 February 2006 22:14
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Kelzar on Tue, 14 February 2006 23:56
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: multilis on Wed, 15 February 2006 00:50
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Kelzar on Wed, 15 February 2006 08:13
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Madman on Wed, 15 February 2006 02:12
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: gible on Wed, 15 February 2006 04:00
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Madman on Wed, 15 February 2006 05:32
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Kotk on Wed, 15 February 2006 05:34
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Madman on Wed, 15 February 2006 05:46
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Kotk on Wed, 15 February 2006 05:54
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: iztok on Wed, 15 February 2006 07:46
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Kotk on Wed, 15 February 2006 08:39
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: multilis on Wed, 15 February 2006 10:19
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: LEit on Wed, 15 February 2006 10:47
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: mazda on Wed, 15 February 2006 10:48
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Madman on Wed, 15 February 2006 13:18
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Kotk on Wed, 15 February 2006 13:51
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Madman on Wed, 15 February 2006 15:10
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: multilis on Wed, 15 February 2006 15:25
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Kotk on Wed, 15 February 2006 16:36
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Madman on Wed, 15 February 2006 16:39
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: mlaub on Wed, 15 February 2006 12:51
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Zoiker on Wed, 15 February 2006 22:26
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: m.a@stars on Thu, 16 February 2006 04:32
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Micha on Wed, 15 February 2006 07:22
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Zoiker on Wed, 15 February 2006 22:28
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: m.a@stars on Thu, 16 February 2006 04:17
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Madman on Thu, 16 February 2006 04:42
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: m.a@stars on Thu, 16 February 2006 08:01
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: wizard on Thu, 16 February 2006 11:07
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Kotk on Thu, 16 February 2006 11:56
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: m.a@stars on Thu, 16 February 2006 19:31
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: gible on Fri, 17 February 2006 07:24
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: multilis on Fri, 17 February 2006 11:12
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: crr65536 on Fri, 17 February 2006 12:10
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Micha on Fri, 17 February 2006 14:54
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Kotk on Fri, 17 February 2006 15:20
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: multilis on Sat, 18 February 2006 17:15
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Madman on Sat, 18 February 2006 21:22
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Kotk on Sun, 19 February 2006 12:35
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Dogthinkers on Sun, 19 February 2006 22:42
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: gible on Mon, 20 February 2006 04:07
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: multilis on Thu, 02 March 2006 13:51
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Kotk on Thu, 02 March 2006 15:28
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: c64k on Thu, 02 March 2006 21:17
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Ptolemy on Fri, 03 March 2006 01:31
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: mazda on Fri, 03 March 2006 08:32
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Madman on Fri, 03 March 2006 22:46
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Ptolemy on Fri, 03 March 2006 23:31
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Madman on Sat, 04 March 2006 01:00
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Ptolemy on Sat, 04 March 2006 01:16
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: multilis on Sat, 04 March 2006 02:09
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Ptolemy on Sat, 04 March 2006 02:40
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Madman on Sat, 04 March 2006 09:55
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Marduk on Fri, 10 March 2006 13:56
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: gible on Fri, 10 March 2006 18:43
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: c64k on Fri, 10 March 2006 21:52
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Marduk on Fri, 10 March 2006 22:31
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: multilis on Fri, 10 March 2006 23:57
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Ptolemy on Sat, 11 March 2006 00:33
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: multilis on Sat, 11 March 2006 01:17
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Ptolemy on Sat, 11 March 2006 02:01
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Madman on Fri, 03 March 2006 22:40
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: c64k on Sat, 04 March 2006 21:17
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Madman on Mon, 06 March 2006 11:59
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: PricklyPea on Mon, 06 March 2006 12:32
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: m.a@stars on Mon, 06 March 2006 12:43
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: mlaub on Mon, 06 March 2006 16:49
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Madman on Tue, 07 March 2006 09:33
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: icebird on Tue, 07 March 2006 20:26
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: PricklyPea on Sat, 04 March 2006 05:00
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: PricklyPea on Mon, 06 March 2006 13:52
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: icebird on Mon, 06 March 2006 14:01
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: rowenstin on Sat, 11 March 2006 02:11
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Kotk on Sat, 11 March 2006 18:36
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Captain Maim on Sat, 11 March 2006 19:32
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: crr65536 on Sun, 12 March 2006 13:27
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Captain Maim on Sun, 12 March 2006 20:05
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Kotk on Sun, 12 March 2006 21:15
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Dogthinkers on Sun, 12 March 2006 22:13
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: crr65536 on Mon, 13 March 2006 00:04
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: m.a@stars on Mon, 13 March 2006 05:08
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: gible on Mon, 13 March 2006 06:16
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Madman on Mon, 13 March 2006 07:50
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Kotk on Mon, 13 March 2006 11:28
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Kelzar on Mon, 13 March 2006 13:07
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: multilis on Sat, 01 April 2006 00:09
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Kotk on Sat, 01 April 2006 17:53
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: wizard on Mon, 03 April 2006 16:43
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: multilis on Mon, 03 April 2006 21:53
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: iztok on Tue, 04 April 2006 01:33
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: crr65536 on Sat, 01 April 2006 14:44
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: gible on Mon, 13 March 2006 03:10
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Madman on Mon, 13 March 2006 07:41
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: PricklyPea on Wed, 05 April 2006 12:30
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: iztok on Thu, 06 April 2006 02:21
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: LEit on Thu, 06 April 2006 11:11
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Kotk on Thu, 06 April 2006 13:12
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: PricklyPea on Thu, 06 April 2006 14:57
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Kotk on Thu, 06 April 2006 16:17
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Marduk on Thu, 06 April 2006 17:35
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: crr65536 on Thu, 06 April 2006 19:04
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: PricklyPea on Thu, 06 April 2006 19:34
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Marduk on Fri, 07 April 2006 03:38
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: PricklyPea on Fri, 07 April 2006 08:13
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: m.a@stars on Fri, 07 April 2006 15:05
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Marduk on Sat, 08 April 2006 13:29
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: m.a@stars on Tue, 11 April 2006 12:40
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: LEit on Tue, 11 April 2006 15:09
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Madman on Wed, 12 April 2006 00:49
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: m.a@stars on Wed, 12 April 2006 10:31
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: NingunOtro on Wed, 12 April 2006 11:20
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: m.a@stars on Wed, 12 April 2006 12:42
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: NingunOtro on Wed, 12 April 2006 12:52
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: m.a@stars on Wed, 12 April 2006 15:31
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: NingunOtro on Wed, 12 April 2006 16:15
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: m.a@stars on Wed, 12 April 2006 17:21
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: NingunOtro on Wed, 12 April 2006 17:54
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: m.a@stars on Wed, 12 April 2006 19:38
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: NingunOtro on Wed, 12 April 2006 22:14
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: m.a@stars on Thu, 13 April 2006 15:30
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: Madman on Wed, 12 April 2006 00:45
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: m.a@stars on Wed, 12 April 2006 09:25
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: mazda on Wed, 12 April 2006 10:38
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: m.a@stars on Wed, 12 April 2006 12:38
		Re: Unofficial patch... By: wizard on Mon, 13 March 2006 04:27

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