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Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs

Wed, 04 January 2006 08:59

Madman

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Tomasoid wrote on Thu, 05 January 2006 01:42

Well, and nooooowwwww...
try to account factories. Very Happy

No need to account for factories - it only alters resource output (has no effect on pop growth which is where the non-AR gets hit twice), and is just a linear scaling factor (once built).

Oh, and I should have pointed out in my analysis is not about comparing AR with non-AR - there's too many variables to do that easily - just the effect on reach of reduced hab h - the non-AR ends up with the h^2 on growth.

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I'll illustrate my question on example:
Let's take 2 one-immune AR races.
Race 1 has narrowest possible temperature, though wide radiation.
Race 2 - is a copy of race 1, but I increase hab range for temperature and equally decrease hab range for radiation, so total number of hab range "clicks" remains the same. Up until temperature and radiation are almost equal. I lose some points here in race wizard by that, so I take normal construction or energy, or even decrease pop growth, sometimes 2 at the same time, to compensate the loss. Now I test. Race 1 is always weaker after 50 years on large/packed/distant/ABBS/NRE game no mater what I choose for race 2 to compensate points losing. Try it out Smile

Well if you are talking about the sum of the clicks remaining the same, the number of habitable planets is proportional the _product_ of clicks, so with the sum the same, the product (hence number of habitable planets) will be higher in race 2. For example 0.2*0.8=0.16, 0.5*0.5=0.25 - same sum of clicks (0.2+0.8=0.5+0.5=1.0), but over 50% more planets.

This gets watered down a bit by the fact that wide+narrow gets much faster initial terraforming (often really fast terraforming if do the narrow first).

A much better way to compare is using the '1 in 4 planets will be habitable' etc. in the race wizard.

As for the _exact_ formula for hab, try: http://constb.5u.com/

although for any sort of analysis, the following (taken from http://www.starsfaq.com/advfaq/guts2.htm ) is likely to be ad ...

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		Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: Tomasoid on Wed, 04 January 2006 02:14
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: Madman on Wed, 04 January 2006 05:25
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: Tomasoid on Wed, 04 January 2006 07:42
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: Madman on Wed, 04 January 2006 08:59
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: Tomasoid on Wed, 04 January 2006 11:14
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: vonKreedon on Wed, 04 January 2006 13:52
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: Kotk on Wed, 04 January 2006 14:18
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: mlaub on Wed, 04 January 2006 15:16
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: icebird on Thu, 05 January 2006 02:09
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: Tomasoid on Thu, 05 January 2006 10:27
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: Tomasoid on Thu, 05 January 2006 10:50
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: Kotk on Thu, 05 January 2006 12:34
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: Tomasoid on Thu, 05 January 2006 13:33
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: mlaub on Thu, 05 January 2006 13:47
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: mlaub on Thu, 05 January 2006 13:54
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: Tomasoid on Thu, 05 January 2006 14:08
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: mlaub on Thu, 05 January 2006 15:16
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: Kotk on Thu, 05 January 2006 15:29
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: iztok on Thu, 05 January 2006 15:49
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: Tomasoid on Fri, 06 January 2006 07:21
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: crr65536 on Fri, 06 January 2006 10:16
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: iztok on Fri, 06 January 2006 13:57
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: Kotk on Fri, 06 January 2006 17:48
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: Kotk on Sat, 07 January 2006 18:21
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: Tomasoid on Mon, 09 January 2006 05:33
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: iztok on Mon, 09 January 2006 08:50
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: Tomasoid on Mon, 09 January 2006 09:48
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: crr65536 on Mon, 09 January 2006 12:16
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: Tomasoid on Mon, 09 January 2006 12:25
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: mlaub on Mon, 09 January 2006 14:20
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: Kotk on Mon, 09 January 2006 16:03
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: Tomasoid on Tue, 10 January 2006 04:58
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: iztok on Tue, 10 January 2006 09:20
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: Tomasoid on Tue, 10 January 2006 09:29
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: Kotk on Tue, 10 January 2006 12:13
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: Tomasoid on Tue, 10 January 2006 12:33
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: Kotk on Tue, 10 January 2006 15:18
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: Tomasoid on Thu, 12 January 2006 06:50
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: Kotk on Thu, 12 January 2006 08:02
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: Orange on Mon, 30 January 2006 18:16
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: Tomasoid on Tue, 31 January 2006 03:22
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: Orange on Wed, 01 February 2006 11:41
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: Kotk on Wed, 01 February 2006 14:53
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: multilis on Wed, 01 February 2006 17:34
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: Dogthinkers on Wed, 01 February 2006 20:21
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: Dogthinkers on Wed, 01 February 2006 20:23
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: Kotk on Wed, 01 February 2006 20:51
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: Dogthinkers on Wed, 01 February 2006 23:17
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: Dogthinkers on Wed, 01 February 2006 23:22
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: Kotk on Thu, 02 February 2006 02:30
		Re: Wide + narrow vs all average habs By: Orange on Thu, 02 February 2006 15:16

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