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Re: make PP what they are suppose to be

Tue, 09 August 2005 04:08

Dogthinkers

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I'd be happy to drop the mineral transportation and the high fuel. No real need for those in the design itself as long as you bring supporting ships.

The armour costs I suggested are the same as BB for the first, and the same as DN for the second. Don't forget they won't be armed and they won't have armour or shield slots (MPS / Langston...) unless it can be marked for 0% cloaking.

Regarding the 'they wouldn't be much use' argument - I'd also add that you can sit them near opponent's worlds and then NOT packet them... If your opponent lifts the pop they just missed out on production for nothing... Of course you might choose to fire and then they'd wish they had lifted...

Also in terms of the comparative cost of defending one of these ships vs attacking a star - The fleet doesn't have to be as big - you don't have to worry about a starbase or additional defenders gating in; You don't have to reduce the minefields; You have a chance to reclaim the scrap from open space if you are defeated but freighters survive.

I suspect the armour of the ship may need to be increased further to prevent it being too easy to snipe - (we'd want to ensure it is less attractive than freighter chaff or else it will be a joke ship...)

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		make PP what they are suppose to be By: dreadlordnaf on Tue, 02 August 2005 04:47
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Storm on Tue, 02 August 2005 05:50
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: dreadlordnaf on Tue, 02 August 2005 07:31
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Storm on Tue, 02 August 2005 09:12
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: dreadlordnaf on Tue, 02 August 2005 12:17
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Dogthinkers on Tue, 02 August 2005 19:10
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Micha on Tue, 02 August 2005 06:14
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: gible on Tue, 02 August 2005 06:54
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Orca on Tue, 02 August 2005 11:24
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: dreadlordnaf on Tue, 02 August 2005 12:15
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: mazda on Wed, 03 August 2005 04:10
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Kotk on Wed, 03 August 2005 04:48
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: mazda on Wed, 03 August 2005 05:17
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Kotk on Wed, 03 August 2005 08:09
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: velvetthroat57 on Wed, 03 August 2005 12:16
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: crr65536 on Wed, 03 August 2005 13:02
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Kotk on Wed, 03 August 2005 13:48
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: crr65536 on Wed, 03 August 2005 15:26
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: velvetthroat57 on Wed, 03 August 2005 17:39
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: crr65536 on Wed, 03 August 2005 21:07
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: velvetthroat57 on Wed, 03 August 2005 23:08
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: SinicalIdealist on Wed, 03 August 2005 23:54
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: wizard on Fri, 05 August 2005 06:49
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: SinicalIdealist on Fri, 05 August 2005 16:37
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: iztok on Thu, 11 August 2005 04:35
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: mazda on Thu, 11 August 2005 06:14
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: iztok on Thu, 11 August 2005 08:33
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Kotk on Thu, 11 August 2005 13:00
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: mazda on Thu, 11 August 2005 18:07
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Kotk on Fri, 12 August 2005 07:20
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Ptolemy on Fri, 12 August 2005 10:21
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: LEit on Sat, 06 August 2005 23:04
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: craebild on Sun, 07 August 2005 04:20
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: LEit on Sun, 07 August 2005 11:02
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: SinicalIdealist on Sun, 07 August 2005 12:42
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: LEit on Mon, 08 August 2005 11:05
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: dethdukk on Mon, 08 August 2005 14:23
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Orca on Mon, 08 August 2005 20:05
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: crr65536 on Mon, 08 August 2005 21:27
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: dethdukk on Mon, 08 August 2005 21:59
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: dethdukk on Mon, 08 August 2005 22:10
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: dethdukk on Mon, 08 August 2005 22:21
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: crr65536 on Mon, 08 August 2005 23:31
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: dethdukk on Tue, 09 August 2005 00:01
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: dethdukk on Tue, 09 August 2005 00:02
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Dogthinkers on Tue, 09 August 2005 00:09
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: crr65536 on Tue, 09 August 2005 01:11
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: dethdukk on Tue, 09 August 2005 01:36
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: crr65536 on Tue, 09 August 2005 01:49
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Dogthinkers on Tue, 09 August 2005 04:08
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: mazda on Tue, 09 August 2005 05:57
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: LEit on Tue, 09 August 2005 09:13
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: dethdukk on Tue, 09 August 2005 10:59
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: mazda on Tue, 09 August 2005 11:18
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: dethdukk on Tue, 09 August 2005 11:26
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: mazda on Tue, 09 August 2005 18:06
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: multilis on Tue, 09 August 2005 20:30
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: gible on Wed, 10 August 2005 05:11
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Ptolemy on Wed, 10 August 2005 23:36
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: gible on Wed, 10 August 2005 23:56
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Ptolemy on Thu, 11 August 2005 00:18
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: iztok on Thu, 11 August 2005 01:52
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: crr65536 on Thu, 11 August 2005 02:10
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Ptolemy on Tue, 09 August 2005 13:11
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: dethdukk on Tue, 09 August 2005 01:18
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: crr65536 on Tue, 09 August 2005 01:45
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Ptolemy on Mon, 08 August 2005 09:09
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: donjon on Mon, 08 August 2005 10:58
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: PricklyPea on Thu, 11 August 2005 08:13
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: iztok on Thu, 11 August 2005 08:38
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: rowenstin on Mon, 06 February 2006 11:57
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Ptolemy on Mon, 06 February 2006 22:39
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Madman on Mon, 06 February 2006 22:53
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: icebird on Mon, 06 February 2006 23:59
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Madman on Tue, 07 February 2006 05:25
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Micha on Tue, 07 February 2006 05:59
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Madman on Thu, 09 February 2006 06:09
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Kotk on Tue, 07 February 2006 19:53
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: rowenstin on Wed, 08 February 2006 07:20
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Kotk on Thu, 09 February 2006 05:24
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Madman on Thu, 09 February 2006 06:30
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Kotk on Thu, 09 February 2006 12:16
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Madman on Thu, 09 February 2006 16:13
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Sober Council on Tue, 01 August 2006 05:41
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: tgellan on Wed, 02 August 2006 09:42
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Kotk on Wed, 02 August 2006 16:27
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: tgellan on Thu, 03 August 2006 04:16
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Kotk on Thu, 03 August 2006 15:32
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: tgellan on Fri, 04 August 2006 03:25
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Nibor on Thu, 03 August 2006 10:41
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Machalot on Fri, 07 September 2007 04:06
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Coyote on Fri, 07 September 2007 19:56

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