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After countless numbers of games and years of playing stars!, I finally fielded a PP in my last larger game (Epoch of darkness VI).
The design actually worked surprisingly well, especially considering the universe turned out to be extraordinairly disadvantageous to the race (too many other -Fs and starting against a wall w/out enough potential enemies early on).
PP is pretty useful as a -F. My particular variant was intended to use factories, however.
Race: Aprahanti/Butterflies
IFE, NRSE, OBRM, ISB, RS
G-Immune
T- -192 -- -8
R- 1 -- 37
19%/1 in 6
1/1000
7.25.14
10.3.11
W,N,C-Cheap
L-Normal
P,B-Exp
The point of having a few factories w/ modest efficiency was that I would land on them, take them, and use them w/out paying. in practice this whole idealistic plan failed rather dramatically when the first enemy I ran into and began seriously fighting was a duo of -F ITs.
The packet forming and permaforming was surprisingly useful actually. It was too expensive to ever consider practically outside a No-CA game. However, those few really useful (high mineral value) planets just outside your range can be permaformed to habitability w/ your packets. The value of this is not to be underestimated when you need planets.
Also, the early mineral cost isn't so bad, especially when you're making sure that the planet your colonists will soon be arriving on will have minerals to immediately build a dock to send the next wave outward.
The bigger problem is how slow drivers are early on. Need the N-cheap early. You never want to overdrive a terraforming packet since you're going to rapidly lose efficiency. YOu need to be very patient and take a distressingly 'long-view' for a -F. It's a strange beast.
In future designs, I'd probably nix one of my cheap techs and boost hab/PGR. The race intersettles easily.
I might even consider W-normal on this race. Reason: your average resource monster QS or HG type race is always going to get weapons faster than a -F. Your best bet is to trade away non-weapons technologies for cutting edge weapons. In many games trading advanced scanners will get you far... Oh, and once you do make friends, hope they have factories and settle nice and close....and wait and fight mutual enemies for a long time...hopefully w/ factories...
[Updated on: Thu, 04 August 2005 00:05]
g.e.
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in their various garages. Then, faintly, I hear voices from another star.
(I clocked it once, and the reception is best between 3:00 A.M. and 4:45
A.M.). Of course, I don't usually tell people this when they ask, "Say,
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Re: make PP what they are suppose to be
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