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Re: make PP what they are suppose to be

Wed, 03 August 2005 12:16

velvetthroat57

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mazda wrote on Wed, 03 August 2005 05:17

Could tweak it by removing the 50% chance part.

e.g. taking the above suggestion into account, early game 7 points of terra for 700kT mins seems very reasonable, would have a measurable effect on speed of colonisation.

I wouldn't mind this but if 700kt is reasonable, then is 1400kt really too much? If you are going to play PP, you need to have some healthy mineral settings anyway, so dropping from 1400 to 700 isn't that big to me. In the early game I don't have a spare 700kt anyway.

How does permaforming work? If it is 50% for 1000kt, is it 5% for 100kt? If not, then that is a change I would like. I have never noticed any permaforming on my worlds but I rarely play PP and don't send big packets except at enemy worlds.

The problem to me with PP is:

(a) expensive PRT
(b) NAS costs points
(c) extra minerals needed - ARM or good mines - costs points
(d) econ boost from packeting is small.

Since a,b,c all make the race economically fragile in the RW and the last one doesn't make up for it in play, and since Stars! is fundamentally a resource driven game, the result is ugly.

Take a typical PP race, convert it to JoAT. Take NAS and put the points into better habs. The wider habs are better than the packeting can do for you early and you get all the JoAT advantages as well. One of the reasons you see way more JoATs than PPs I think.

To fix it, I would say fix (a) and (b). Make it cheaper as a PRT and let them get points for NAS.

CAL

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		make PP what they are suppose to be By: dreadlordnaf on Tue, 02 August 2005 04:47
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Storm on Tue, 02 August 2005 05:50
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: dreadlordnaf on Tue, 02 August 2005 07:31
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Storm on Tue, 02 August 2005 09:12
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: dreadlordnaf on Tue, 02 August 2005 12:17
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Dogthinkers on Tue, 02 August 2005 19:10
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Micha on Tue, 02 August 2005 06:14
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: gible on Tue, 02 August 2005 06:54
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Orca on Tue, 02 August 2005 11:24
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: dreadlordnaf on Tue, 02 August 2005 12:15
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: mazda on Wed, 03 August 2005 04:10
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Kotk on Wed, 03 August 2005 04:48
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: mazda on Wed, 03 August 2005 05:17
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Kotk on Wed, 03 August 2005 08:09
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: velvetthroat57 on Wed, 03 August 2005 12:16
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: crr65536 on Wed, 03 August 2005 13:02
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Kotk on Wed, 03 August 2005 13:48
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: crr65536 on Wed, 03 August 2005 15:26
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: velvetthroat57 on Wed, 03 August 2005 17:39
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: crr65536 on Wed, 03 August 2005 21:07
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: velvetthroat57 on Wed, 03 August 2005 23:08
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: SinicalIdealist on Wed, 03 August 2005 23:54
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: wizard on Fri, 05 August 2005 06:49
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: SinicalIdealist on Fri, 05 August 2005 16:37
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: iztok on Thu, 11 August 2005 04:35
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: mazda on Thu, 11 August 2005 06:14
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		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Kotk on Thu, 11 August 2005 13:00
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: mazda on Thu, 11 August 2005 18:07
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		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Dogthinkers on Tue, 09 August 2005 00:09
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: crr65536 on Tue, 09 August 2005 01:11
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: dethdukk on Tue, 09 August 2005 01:36
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: crr65536 on Tue, 09 August 2005 01:49
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Dogthinkers on Tue, 09 August 2005 04:08
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: mazda on Tue, 09 August 2005 05:57
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		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: mazda on Tue, 09 August 2005 11:18
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		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: gible on Wed, 10 August 2005 23:56
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Ptolemy on Thu, 11 August 2005 00:18
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: iztok on Thu, 11 August 2005 01:52
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: crr65536 on Thu, 11 August 2005 02:10
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Ptolemy on Tue, 09 August 2005 13:11
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