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Re: make PP what they are suppose to be

Tue, 02 August 2005 12:15

dreadlordnaf

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Orca wrote on Tue, 02 August 2005 11:24

Right now, nobody except an IS can keep a world inhabited against a lategame PP within 85 lightyears. And keeping them inhabited at 254 is dicey too, unless you can get freighters at all the points where the packets will end up after at year 1. And then keep them there against a PP that wants to destroy the freighters which now can't move. PP's flingers are plenty powerful - the packets act as scanners, and they can terraform (based on the amount of minerals striking the planet). Chance of perm terra is lower, but still rather nasty. Where they fall down is in terms of econ. Like SS, they're rather expensive, and like SS, they can't mine NAS for many points (in the PP's case, it quickly can *cost* them points to take NAS).

Any "official" freestars changes to accomodate strengthening PP are going to be slow and methodical to prevent breaking the pretty good balance Stars! has now. If you wanted to change the mod file, you'd be able to do that (some of your suggestions would be easy enough. Others, like collecting minerals/stealing minerals would require code changes).

Hmm i did the calculations with stars calc. Assuming late game, max defense coverage and a warp 10 driver on the target planet, it will take a PP race flinging a packet warp 16 to use 23,000 kt of minerals to kill the planet if its 80ly away. Assuming they want to take out more than just 1 planet, thats not exactly what i would consider a very effective kt-to-kill ratio. How many combat nubains could you make with those minerals instead?

Also terraform ability is based on packets caught regardless of size. Sending more to a world with a mass driver wont terraform it any faster than what i stated in my original post unless you have multiple worlds flinging them to one planet. Also perma-terraforming is a joke. Every 100kt u send has a 0.1% chance to permanently affect it. That means you need to send 10,000kt to have a 10% chance to get a permanent move in the variable by 1 point! You can only do this on minerals not caught either, which means usually on uninhabited worlds so you will lose a lot of the minerals. This ability drastically needs alteration.

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		make PP what they are suppose to be By: dreadlordnaf on Tue, 02 August 2005 04:47
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Storm on Tue, 02 August 2005 05:50
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: dreadlordnaf on Tue, 02 August 2005 07:31
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Storm on Tue, 02 August 2005 09:12
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: dreadlordnaf on Tue, 02 August 2005 12:17
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Dogthinkers on Tue, 02 August 2005 19:10
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Micha on Tue, 02 August 2005 06:14
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: gible on Tue, 02 August 2005 06:54
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Orca on Tue, 02 August 2005 11:24
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: dreadlordnaf on Tue, 02 August 2005 12:15
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: mazda on Wed, 03 August 2005 04:10
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Kotk on Wed, 03 August 2005 04:48
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: mazda on Wed, 03 August 2005 05:17
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Kotk on Wed, 03 August 2005 08:09
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: velvetthroat57 on Wed, 03 August 2005 12:16
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: crr65536 on Wed, 03 August 2005 13:02
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Kotk on Wed, 03 August 2005 13:48
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: crr65536 on Wed, 03 August 2005 15:26
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: velvetthroat57 on Wed, 03 August 2005 17:39
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: crr65536 on Wed, 03 August 2005 21:07
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: velvetthroat57 on Wed, 03 August 2005 23:08
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: SinicalIdealist on Wed, 03 August 2005 23:54
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: wizard on Fri, 05 August 2005 06:49
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: SinicalIdealist on Fri, 05 August 2005 16:37
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: iztok on Thu, 11 August 2005 04:35
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: mazda on Thu, 11 August 2005 06:14
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: iztok on Thu, 11 August 2005 08:33
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Kotk on Thu, 11 August 2005 13:00
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: mazda on Thu, 11 August 2005 18:07
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Kotk on Fri, 12 August 2005 07:20
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Ptolemy on Fri, 12 August 2005 10:21
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: LEit on Sat, 06 August 2005 23:04
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		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: LEit on Sun, 07 August 2005 11:02
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: SinicalIdealist on Sun, 07 August 2005 12:42
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: LEit on Mon, 08 August 2005 11:05
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: dethdukk on Mon, 08 August 2005 14:23
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Orca on Mon, 08 August 2005 20:05
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: crr65536 on Mon, 08 August 2005 21:27
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: dethdukk on Mon, 08 August 2005 21:59
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		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: dethdukk on Mon, 08 August 2005 22:21
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: crr65536 on Mon, 08 August 2005 23:31
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: dethdukk on Tue, 09 August 2005 00:01
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: dethdukk on Tue, 09 August 2005 00:02
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Dogthinkers on Tue, 09 August 2005 00:09
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: crr65536 on Tue, 09 August 2005 01:11
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: dethdukk on Tue, 09 August 2005 01:36
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: crr65536 on Tue, 09 August 2005 01:49
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Dogthinkers on Tue, 09 August 2005 04:08
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: mazda on Tue, 09 August 2005 05:57
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: LEit on Tue, 09 August 2005 09:13
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: dethdukk on Tue, 09 August 2005 10:59
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: mazda on Tue, 09 August 2005 11:18
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: dethdukk on Tue, 09 August 2005 11:26
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: mazda on Tue, 09 August 2005 18:06
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: multilis on Tue, 09 August 2005 20:30
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: gible on Wed, 10 August 2005 05:11
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Ptolemy on Wed, 10 August 2005 23:36
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: gible on Wed, 10 August 2005 23:56
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Ptolemy on Thu, 11 August 2005 00:18
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: iztok on Thu, 11 August 2005 01:52
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: crr65536 on Thu, 11 August 2005 02:10
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Ptolemy on Tue, 09 August 2005 13:11
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: dethdukk on Tue, 09 August 2005 01:18
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: crr65536 on Tue, 09 August 2005 01:45
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Ptolemy on Mon, 08 August 2005 09:09
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: donjon on Mon, 08 August 2005 10:58
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: PricklyPea on Thu, 11 August 2005 08:13
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: iztok on Thu, 11 August 2005 08:38
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: rowenstin on Mon, 06 February 2006 11:57
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Ptolemy on Mon, 06 February 2006 22:39
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Madman on Mon, 06 February 2006 22:53
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: icebird on Mon, 06 February 2006 23:59
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Madman on Tue, 07 February 2006 05:25
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Micha on Tue, 07 February 2006 05:59
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Madman on Thu, 09 February 2006 06:09
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Kotk on Tue, 07 February 2006 19:53
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: rowenstin on Wed, 08 February 2006 07:20
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Kotk on Thu, 09 February 2006 05:24
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Madman on Thu, 09 February 2006 06:30
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Kotk on Thu, 09 February 2006 12:16
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Madman on Thu, 09 February 2006 16:13
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Sober Council on Tue, 01 August 2006 05:41
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: tgellan on Wed, 02 August 2006 09:42
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Kotk on Wed, 02 August 2006 16:27
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: tgellan on Thu, 03 August 2006 04:16
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Kotk on Thu, 03 August 2006 15:32
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: tgellan on Fri, 04 August 2006 03:25
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Nibor on Thu, 03 August 2006 10:41
		Re: make PP what they are suppose to be By: Machalot on Fri, 07 September 2007 04:06
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