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Thu, 03 February 2005 09:41

Steve1

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The most important thing is NOT to declare the alliance a winner - ONLY the 1st place player may be declared the winner. In this case, the 1st place player has won by being smart - getting someone to ally with him that was strong enough to provide lots of tech and be in 2nd place yet, won't attack him. I'd call it a good win.

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I concur with the above.
The 1st place race *won* by means other than military predominance.

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Errrr. No. The game was specified as a "Last Man Standing" game, not a "One winner" game. Reread the first post, there was an addendum.

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A "One winner" rule, IMO, implies that only one player will be elected victor, through whatever means necessary. So, yes, if that were the case, then the last 2 posts would be correct.

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A "Last Man Standing" game implies just that. No one, other than the winner, is left standing. All other races have either stopped submitting, or have conceded through loss of planets and fleets. Having a game long ally concede victory doesn't sound right for that situation, nor do gaining advantages inherent of such a relationship.

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Of course this is all a question of semantics, and the definitions are strictly my opinion. It is up to the *host* of this game to clarify this situation for the players. It is up to the *players* to abide by the hosts clarification of those rules. If the host isn't interested in interpeting and enforcing his own rules, then he should not have hosted the game.

Some interesting comments there .......
Personally I see a perspective that is somewhat intermediate between all, but that may be objective at best .....

Anyhow, I have in fact tried to remain as neutral as possible thoughout this debate, but would like to reveal that my position in the game is no. #1.
I found it very interesting to view the varied and many responses to this vote and in fact tried to give a second/third party perspective to this poll, to hopefully elicit a very honest and 1st perspective response from other players.

The vote seems to be overall based on player position and perspective. Overall players allied or friendly to no. #1 within the game, voted in favour of the status quo and players in the opposition for such a proposition voted against it.
Players not involved seemed to vote on an "approximately 50/50 basis", so were not particularly included (no offence intended).

The thing that interested me mostly, was the varied and particularly extreme positions many players took regarding this matter. It certainly is a subject for debate, but I doubt the situation could be solved by any conventional means.

In creating the poll, I tried to give voters as many options as possible, but sincerely do apologise if a viable option for you was left out. I gave the option to the "Keeping it Simple" community to submit other choices within 24 hours, but beyond that I thought it might spoil the poll.
Anyhow, the option "other" was provided "just in case" and only one person chose that, so it seems you guys had plenty of choices available.

My perspective is that unless alliances are specifically excluded, then my position is acceptable. I do understand other race's arguments on this matter, but I ask you this:
When I've been allied with the no. 2 race for a long, long time, and when we have have shared tech, ships, intercolonised for almost all of the game, then how can anyone expect my race to attack such a valuable ally. Furthermore, with such rapport, how can he attack my race? The only way to understand this position is to experience it.

Btw, Contrary to popular suggestion, my race cannot take on the universe by itself .....
We're talking some serious butt kicking here and um ... that would be against more experienced players than I. IMO I got somewhat lucky and happened to ally/friendship status with some fairly high calibre Stars players. As it happened our habs were very compatible and being IT I took advantage of this. ...

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