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Carn wrote on Mon, 17 May 2004 23:45 |
That leads to conclusion, that SD should wait to lay heavies and speeds until he has fair idea where inner and border regions are going to be, because otherwise he might start to lay lot of small fields in an area that turns out to be secure and then has to nerve allies to sweep those fields. Normal mines do not have that problem, they vanish fast, if exploding and not replenished.
| Anyone should have good strategic picture where his empire lies, where its borders are and who are his neighbours. SD can fill a territory with minefields rather quick, no need to lay them before hostilities start.
Quote: | About placement, i think i read somewhere, that's impossible to chaffsweep mine field in plnet orbit before detonation, so if minefield is centered on planet its impossible to attack directly without receiving mine det if SD wants that. That would indicate that any endangered planet should have normal field centered on it even if rather small. Is that possible or simply too much work or too much minefields?
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SD can lay anything "when" there is danger. Others have to rely on static fields.
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Why is gateability for skirmish and stealth mine layers that important, their important tasks happen in areas with little gate presence and often not in planet orbits and they will have a good engine anyway. But they are often in dangerous positions, so they are likely to be lost, therefore price effiency seems to be far more important. And mine layers will not get outdated fast, so the travel time loss is less important(of course they should be there, when they are needed).
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There should be no part of anyones border with "little gate presence" by the time he build super layers. Planet without gates is too easy to attack. The minelayers are prime skirmishing target of any opponent with brain. Now if you got unlucky and all of them were killed will you wait 5 turns until reiforcements will arrive and watch how that area is swept clean meanwhile?
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That makes me think, that main advantage of super mine layer hull is not having more mine layer slots, but elec slots for cloaking, shield slots and base armor for surviving and more fuel for for longer travel.
Is that correct?
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You are correct that its the other slots and fuel on super layer that make it useful for military operations while the mini layer is best to be left laying speedtraps on already secured territory.
Main advantages of both special layer hulls are that they lay double and are immune to own minefield detonations. Super layer is worse cost effectively... so why to build it if you do not have special task in mind? And with special tasks there are always the balancing issues.
Quote: | New thread idea: Favourite super mine layer design, how do you manage ship slot problems?
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A little normal layer you use for fueling your transports and marking your territory early and replace it with super later. Speedtrap layer is about the same one you got initially fuel mizer 3 x ST20 and a fuel pod. You may upgrade it later into one with 2 x ST50 and better engine if you find ally who buy your initial ones or may keep building it... its cost effective enough. Super layer you start building about year 2455 when you have warp 10 and gorilla shields, then you scrap that normal layer. I can easily find slots for another layer and ED ship. But one can manage quite like IS with 2 layers, what slot problems there?
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When to lay heavy mines?
By: Carn on Thu, 13 May 2004 09:38
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Re: When to lay heavy mines?
By: Kotk on Mon, 17 May 2004 07:35
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By: Carn on Mon, 17 May 2004 09:02
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Re: When to lay heavy mines?
By: Kotk on Tue, 18 May 2004 11:19
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Re: When to lay heavy mines?
By: Carn on Tue, 18 May 2004 11:41
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