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Re: Start colonization help

Wed, 19 May 2004 10:28

Carn

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Kotk wrote on Wed, 19 May 2004 16:05

Why i do it differently from what you suggested is that i very rarely build stations with AR. I built stations in masses with that ISB-less 3-immune (that is not as bad as people might think), but i have not played it ... 10 years already. I usually get 1 immune with growth 14-15 or maybe 16 with LSP. That gives 1 in 4 or maybe even 1 in 3 hab with careful design.

Sure i would build stations if my HW is extreme poor or i have some 100+ germ conc breeders or breeder is hit by comet... but these are special cases. Nod

Station+miners must pay their cost back at least 3-4 times until 2430, and that means close to 90 conc worlds. Spreading, terraforming and tech are otherwise better investments.

Whether to build stations or not as AR, depends in my testbeds mainly(apart from having ISB or not) on germ conc,especially on HW, number of good planets(=hab) and pop growth. With high growth docks start sooner to be to small and more minerals are mined by pop per planet and habs tend to be smaller, so if there's enough germ building stations pays. With low growth, habs are wider, so more planets to stuff pop to, docks are big enough longer and less germ is avaible per planet, so skipping stations costs less pop and saves more germ and that way is more likely to pay than with high growth rates.
The point is, why investing 250-300kT germ and 300-500 resources per planet in 2415-2420, when you want to start ultra building in 2428-32. By building stations you might face having not enough germ to build ultras, which is far worse than not building stations(of course can be avoided by building more miners, but that cost more resources, so ultras are researched and build later).

For example the famous Arvids(first posted 25000 resource AR) are 1 in 21 with 19% growth, i do not think it would be wise to skip stations with them.

And with 14-16% growth Kotk has certainly very often a start, where building stations does not pay.

Carn ...

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		Re: Start colonization help By: Dogthinkers on Mon, 17 May 2004 18:15
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		Re: Start colonization help By: vonKreedon on Tue, 18 May 2004 10:23
		Re: Start colonization help By: Micha on Tue, 18 May 2004 11:31
		Re: Start colonization help By: Kotk on Tue, 18 May 2004 11:48
		Re: Start colonization help By: iztok on Wed, 19 May 2004 08:41
		Re: Start colonization help By: Kotk on Wed, 19 May 2004 10:05
		Re: Start colonization help By: Carn on Wed, 19 May 2004 10:28
		Re: Start colonization help By: Kotk on Wed, 19 May 2004 10:52
		Re: Start colonization help By: Carn on Wed, 19 May 2004 10:57
		Re: Start colonization help By: Dogthinkers on Wed, 19 May 2004 23:18
		Re: Start colonization help By: Carn on Thu, 20 May 2004 02:23
		Re: Start colonization help By: ForceUser on Thu, 20 May 2004 03:14
		Re: Start colonization help By: Kotk on Thu, 20 May 2004 08:34
		Re: Start colonization help By: iztok on Wed, 19 May 2004 16:28
		Re: Start colonization help By: iztok on Thu, 20 May 2004 04:50
		Re: Start colonization help By: Kotk on Thu, 20 May 2004 09:03
		Re: Start colonization help By: multilis on Thu, 20 May 2004 09:43
		Re: Start colonization help By: Kotk on Thu, 20 May 2004 12:42
		Re: Start colonization help By: iztok on Thu, 20 May 2004 10:05
		Re: Start colonization help By: Carn on Thu, 20 May 2004 11:13
		Re: Start colonization help By: iztok on Thu, 20 May 2004 15:19
		Re: Start colonization help By: Carn on Thu, 20 May 2004 16:33
		Re: Start colonization help By: iztok on Fri, 21 May 2004 03:54
		Re: Start colonization help By: Kotk on Fri, 21 May 2004 06:35
		Re: Start colonization help By: iztok on Fri, 21 May 2004 09:12
		Re: Start colonization help By: Carn on Tue, 18 May 2004 11:56
		Re: Start colonization help By: vonKreedon on Tue, 18 May 2004 12:33
		Re: Start colonization help By: Kotk on Tue, 18 May 2004 12:54
		Re: Start colonization help By: vonKreedon on Tue, 18 May 2004 13:00
		Re: Start colonization help By: Kotk on Tue, 18 May 2004 13:39
		Re: Start colonization help By: multilis on Tue, 18 May 2004 14:02
		Re: Start colonization help By: Kotk on Tue, 18 May 2004 14:27
		Re: Start colonization help By: vonKreedon on Tue, 18 May 2004 14:04
		Re: Start colonization help By: Kotk on Tue, 18 May 2004 14:25
		Re: Start colonization help By: Carn on Tue, 18 May 2004 14:06
		Re: Start colonization help By: Kotk on Tue, 18 May 2004 12:40
		Re: Start colonization help By: Carn on Tue, 18 May 2004 12:59
		Re: Start colonization help By: Kotk on Tue, 18 May 2004 13:08
		Re: Start colonization help By: iztok on Fri, 14 May 2004 02:28
		Re: Start colonization help By: ForceUser on Fri, 21 May 2004 05:43

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