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Re: Is this a cheat???

Tue, 26 November 2002 13:12

Stalwart

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Registered: November 2002
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Greetings all,

Ok now for some insight into the "features" and "cheats" of Stars.

Transfer to Dead players only works if the player was an enemy to your target. So in other words if you transfer the ship to a friend then it would work, though if you transfer to an enemy the bombing fleet will automatically be targeted. Usually if I am ready to die I set EVERYBODY to enemy, and therefore makes it imposible for players to further take advantage of my race. Takes care of that problem.

Chaff: Rather than thinking about being in a gunfight and using thumb tacks, those guns would be the same as beams in Stars as it is close combat, in otherwords Chaff isn't used for that. Now if you have a guy a couple hundred yards away and you have a missle launcher, using flares to distract that heat seaking missle would be an example of the chaff, or using real world _chaff_ to distract radar guided missles. As far as AR races, if you are playing an AR and you don't have enough frieghters around your border worlds to do a quick evacuate you are playing the race wrong. Sure Kill starbase is a killer for AR starbases but that implies that you leave your colonists still in tact. Also keep in mind AR have not only a tech advantage but an extremely powerful ability to mass produce ships. So in other words build ships that are light weight and can be gated anywhere and have frieghters around your planets just to be safe. The thing is you should have them orbiting your planets in the first place regardless of your PRT as it is highly likely that your neighbor has a Mass Driver close by.

Split Fleet Dodge: People who consider this a cheat are those who missunderstand Battle Tactics. If your enemy is doing split fleet dodge then he is trying to cover something in the first place, his planet. If someone uses a full laden Frieghter that would imply he is around a planet. The majority of the time I have seen players use this is when I have lead them to believe I am after his fleet (Mahan Style Warfare) when indeed I am forcing him to move his fleet towards his reinforcement while I advance and take over his week planets. Once he has gathered a large enough fleet to conquer me I split MY fleet and further disorient my enemy. This is NOT a cheat but rather a style of warfare that is comonly practiced.

Minefield Imunities: In real world situation this isn't possible, so I agree this is a cheat.

SS Pop Steal: Could be considered a "feature" but keep in mind that you have to set a WAYPOINT task to do this, in other words it is a manipulation of the source code and an overlook of programing. Though not ment to be this could be used as a RP tool in that the SS are similar to the Mystery Trader (being able to spy on other races and the ability to be a super tech monger in the late games...), but that is still oversight and a manipulation. If it is ever alowed, keep you eye out and make sure to have a good back up fleet all along your border with scouts all over the place if possible (and keep them minefields up!).

Hacks of Any Sort: Evil or Very Mad

Cheap Starbases: IMHO This is a cheat, though there is no possible way to really stop it. In real life it is impossible to say I am going to build a car with no interior and at the last minute change your mind just as it is finished and have the engine pop there wihtout a problem. In fact it would cost you EXTRA to get all the suplies rushed to you view next year mail and god knows the cost of man power it would take, and cost, resource wise to get it done sooner. Since Next year mail isn't available in Stars, I highly doubt this was ment to be...

Other than that if there are other cheats I belive to try and think of it in real life terms how each "feature" would be used in real life, or if it is a shortcut around the old fashion way. If there is any way of getting something out of the program that originally ment to be and can't be seen as a use that is used in actual warfare, then it is a cheat.

Then again how many MP games have I been in...? Very Happy

Than ...

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		Re: Is this a cheat??? By: EDog on Mon, 25 November 2002 20:11
		Re: Is this a cheat??? By: Stalwart on Tue, 26 November 2002 13:12
		Re: Is this a cheat??? By: Apelord on Thu, 12 December 2002 23:39
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		Re: Is this a cheat??? By: Robert on Tue, 02 September 2003 09:39
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		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: UAF commander on Fri, 15 November 2002 18:22
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