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Re: Cheats you like to play?

Wed, 06 November 2002 12:41

overworked

Lt. Junior Grade

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I generally think all the ones you listed except chaff and (to some degree) splitting fleets to complicate interception should not be used.

I think chaff is a valid application of resources to negate the mastery of missiles in the late game. Iron limitations work to some degree - but generally the largest missile token will always win otherwise. And said token is invulnerable. Taking out such a massive token is easier using chaff - but will still be expensive in terms of resources and minerals. (Thousands of chaff add up in cost - and can only be used once.) I just see this as a valid battle tactic - whether it is taking unfair advantage of how the battle engine targets ships is still being debated obviously.

Most of the rest of the list you made are essentially (IMO) abusing the game's storage limitations (battle board overload), or an outright bug (north/south minefield movement). As such, they should not be exploited - and in the former case one should perhaps be happy the game doesn't outright eliminate the extra tokens (try going over the 32k ships of a single type in a fleet limit some time - you lose *all* of the ships of that type.)

The other "gray" tactic for me is splitting fleets in order to avoid interception. Basically, the interception algorithm the engine uses is fairly simple - and not that good (or at least flexible enough to deal with clever players.) Thus, an attacking fleet can, via various maneuvers, essentially avoid interception short of a target planet. Deadly for AR, or for trying to defend a location *away* from that location. However, IMO, a retreating fleet can/should have the option to "scatter" in order to have more units survive. Plus, if you ban this tactic - how do you *prove* it has been abused without a painstaking check of player turns by a third party. Probably deadly to keeping a game flowing nicely.

- Kurt

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- Groucho Marx

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		Cheats you like to play? By: FurFuznel on Wed, 06 November 2002 12:25
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: overworked on Wed, 06 November 2002 12:41
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: Coyote on Thu, 07 November 2002 03:29
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: mitchell on Thu, 07 November 2002 16:58
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: Coyote on Fri, 08 November 2002 01:40
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: overworked on Fri, 08 November 2002 08:08
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: mitchell on Fri, 08 November 2002 19:14
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: Ron on Wed, 06 November 2002 15:28
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: BlueTurbit on Fri, 08 November 2002 13:05
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: Coyote on Fri, 08 November 2002 17:06
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: BlueTurbit on Fri, 08 November 2002 20:52
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: Apelord on Sat, 09 November 2002 00:46
		Adding "target list overload" bug [Was: Cheats you like to play?] By: Micha on Sat, 09 November 2002 08:35
		Re: Adding "target list overload" bug [Was: Cheats you like to play?] By: Apelord on Sat, 09 November 2002 11:02
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: McKulz on Sun, 10 November 2002 09:38
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: JamesWD on Mon, 11 November 2002 04:11
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: McKulz on Mon, 11 November 2002 15:54
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: Wayne on Mon, 11 November 2002 19:24
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: McKulz on Tue, 12 November 2002 13:42
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: JamesWD on Wed, 13 November 2002 07:38
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: Apelord on Wed, 13 November 2002 17:47
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: Robert on Thu, 14 November 2002 15:36
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: Coyote on Thu, 14 November 2002 16:47
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: Robert on Thu, 14 November 2002 17:16
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: Robert on Thu, 14 November 2002 17:52
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: ccmaster on Thu, 14 November 2002 18:33
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: Coyote on Thu, 14 November 2002 20:14
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: ccmaster on Thu, 14 November 2002 20:51
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: Robert on Fri, 15 November 2002 03:18
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: Micha on Fri, 15 November 2002 10:26
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: Apelord on Thu, 14 November 2002 20:12
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: UAF commander on Fri, 15 November 2002 03:09
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: BlueTurbit on Fri, 15 November 2002 11:46
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: ccmaster on Fri, 15 November 2002 11:51
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: UAF commander on Fri, 15 November 2002 12:35
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: Bearhard on Fri, 15 November 2002 15:40
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: EDog on Fri, 15 November 2002 15:43
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: FurFuznel on Fri, 15 November 2002 16:14
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: BlueTurbit on Fri, 15 November 2002 16:41
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: Ron on Fri, 15 November 2002 17:43
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: EDog on Sat, 16 November 2002 11:11
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: Wayne on Mon, 18 November 2002 02:16
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: ccmaster on Mon, 18 November 2002 20:44
		Is this a cheat??? By: Robert on Sun, 24 November 2002 17:55
		Re: Is this a cheat??? By: EDog on Mon, 25 November 2002 20:11
		Re: Is this a cheat??? By: Stalwart on Tue, 26 November 2002 13:12
		Re: Is this a cheat??? By: Apelord on Thu, 12 December 2002 23:39
		Re: Is this a cheat??? By: Dogthinkers on Tue, 02 September 2003 00:34
		Re: Is this a cheat??? By: Robert on Tue, 02 September 2003 09:39
		Re: Is this a cheat??? By: Robert on Tue, 02 September 2003 09:40
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: UAF commander on Fri, 15 November 2002 18:22
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: ccmaster on Fri, 15 November 2002 23:41
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: Apelord on Sun, 17 November 2002 13:47
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: Mischief on Sun, 08 December 2002 18:36
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: jeffimix on Sun, 08 December 2002 19:57
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: mitchell on Mon, 09 December 2002 12:32
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: tprescott on Wed, 11 December 2002 22:59
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: BlueTurbit on Wed, 11 December 2002 23:09
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: Robert on Tue, 02 September 2003 09:42
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: Robert on Sat, 25 October 2003 08:05
		Re: Cheats you like to play? By: EDog on Thu, 12 December 2002 20:35

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