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Re: SS ultimate strategy?

Sun, 19 April 2009 01:00

magic9mushroom

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vonKreedon wrote on Sun, 19 April 2009 04:05

Again, assuming a strategically well founded and operationally well executed backstab, here's why not re-allying is ludicrous:
1 - The player has shown himself (using masculine here because there are damn few women Stars players) to be an excellent player from the strategic, operational, and diplomatic standpoints. Such players make useful allies and terrible enemies.

Indeed, and therefore, via Tall Poppy Syndrome, targets for an alliance, not prospective members. Twisted Evil

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2 - Assumably he made a good enough ally for you to put him in a position to effectively backstab you; that up until the backstab the alliance was effective and useful to you. So why deny yourself this usefulness again?

Because as a whole the alliance wasn't beneficial, now was it? Rolling Eyes

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3 - The circumstances for the backstab are unlikely to be common. Again, I am speaking only of a well executed backstab, one in which the strategic situation made the backstab the best play in order to win, the opportunity was available, and the backstab was effectively executed. So, there are not that many times that this correlation of circumstances will happen.

There are lots of situations in which backstabbing your ally is the "logical" move. I'm in a borderline one right now.

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4 - You know that the player is willing to backstab. Think about what information you would need to see the backstab coming and how you can structure getting this information into your treaty. Then write the treaty to give you these guarantees. Also, go ahead and be paranoid if your intel indicates any potential for a backstab.

Easiest way to guarantee - don't ally in the first place. Rolling Eyes

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If the backstab was stupid or the ally was not really a good ally then this does not apply. But then the reasons for not allying have more to do with not allying with stupid and poor allies than with the backstab.

Indeed. Those who backstab for stupid reasons go in my "Only if I'm desperate and it's my o ...

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