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Re: CA Balance

Mon, 04 July 2011 05:47

magic9mushroom

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Void wrote on Mon, 04 July 2011 03:50

It may be overdoing it.

From the RW standpoint, I took a normal -f CA that I would consider for duels, made gravity and temperature immune, and minimized and right shifted radiation. I was left with this race design:

CA
IFE, NRSE, ISB, OBRM, NAS, RS
I/I/80-100mR
1 in 5, 19%
5/25/5/4
10/3/13
Weapons, Const cheap
Rest expensive, Start @4 checked

...and -317 RW points left.

To get to zero I have to drop Const cheap and make it expensive, drop mines operated to 12, drop ISB, and drop RS.

Actually, I suppose that's not exactly neutered, although it would be a pain to play. I don't see any way to have a +F design, though. On the plus side about 20% of the planets would be 100% for them in short order!

As I play around with the RW, I think a 180 point penalty is too conservative. 250-300 might be more like it.

What would be interesting would be for two equally skilled players to actually play a handicapped CA against a traditional IT duel race design, for example, and see where it did well (and did poorly).

Cheers,
Void

- With bi-immune you don't need IFE (you'll likely have at least 1 90%+ breeder within 1-2 jumps of HW) and don't necessarily need 19% growth to compete, especially not as CA.

- -f don't need that many mines.

- You still have OAs as a diplo carrot and "perma-kill" weapon.

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