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Re: CA Balance

Wed, 14 January 2004 02:43

iztok

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Hi!

alexdstewart wrote on Wed, 14 January 2004 05:20

Economic performance depends almost entirely on pop growth rate.

What about HP designs?

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...why not restrict CA PRT to max 15% growth rate? A 15% growth CA will still be formidable (Think HP) but it will not be able to roll over everybody early. (think 15% rate is not NF or HG).

IIRC there was a team game where CAs were limited to 14% growth. In reviews players stated that was a limiting factor only in the beginning, but not much of a difference in the mid and late game.

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It is much simpler and more reliable to place restrictions on growth rate than to impose such artificial things like LRT's, tech settings etc...

What do yea guys think of that?

CA race is UNBALANCED, period. 15% PGR will just give it 375 RW points that it can spend elsewhere (cheaper fac's, better mines and tech...). Just consider this one:
CA
IFE, TT, NRSE, OBRM, RS
all habs centered 32 clicks from edges (1 in 6 with TT-7)
15% PGR
pop 1/2500
15/7/21g
11/3/17
weap, con, bio cheap; energy normal; prop, elec expensive
10 points to mineral conc

Factoryless tech, cheap fac and better mines for good ramp, TT to get 99% planets... I'd take it in a game with a bit more room (40+ planets per player) anyday. If there wouldn't be a limit of 15% PGR I'd just go for 16% (35 RW points).

To limit the CA you have to limit its bonus from instaforming. So what mlaub has suggested hits them the most: "I'd say disallow TT, require 1 band to be immune, can't build OT's or deterraformers and require them to take Bio cheap".

If I could make changes to Stars! code I'd make instaforming only one click in each hab per turn, or even nothing. I'd leave CA the Orbital Adjuster, so it could still grow fast, but it would have to PAY for that.
BR, Iztok
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