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Fri, 23 September 2005 11:14

mazda

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Kotk wrote on Fri, 23 September 2005 14:53

You can make it 1 click more narrow and 3 clicks away from edge without much points gain.

As result: You lost 3 clicks of hab at edge inside whose sum likelihood of actual planet is 3 (0+1+2) in 10 points scale. You gained that one click in center where likelihood (on same scale) is 10. So really you get more greens doing that. Cool

Making hab one click more narrow gives points to get hab another 4 clicks away from edge so you gain 2 clicks in center worth 20 points on likelihood scale (10+10) but lose only 18 (3+4+5+6). Another hab gain! Very Happy

Yes, quite right.
I tend to think of it in reverse, i.e widening and shifting to the edge to keep the same numbers of greens.
I believe that it's not immediately obvious whether it always costs or saves points.
I suspect it *depends*.
Depends on the hab scheme you are shifting.

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Additionally more narrow hab makes terraforming effect better.

This is another frequently quoted statement that annoys me Smile

While it is true in the literal sense, the scale of the effect is overemphasized in relation to the drawbacks (of taking narrower hab).

Let's forget shifting the bands for a while (if not completely).

If you take any hab, and consider all the planets you intend to use with that hab, then widening the hab will make *all* those planets have a better hab value (unless perfect).

This applies *before* and *after* any terraforming you do.
True, terraforming closes the gap (because we can reduce the argument to where all planets become perfect), the smaller band gets more effect from it.
But your planets never become better than if you had chosen wider hab.

I'm just saying that wider hab can be underestimated.
Sometimes because of a couple of "stock" quotes about "don't go near the edge" and "terra is better in a narrow band".
Also that "near the edge" ties in with wider hab because going near the edge is one way to afford wider hab.

Shifting just confuses this pay-off ...

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