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Should we create and use a system for ranking players? Mon, 29 March 2004 12:10 Go to next message
Kang is currently offline Kang

 
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Player ranking system[ 26 votes ]
1. Great Idea - Fully support 11 / 42%
2. Bad Idea - Don't Support 8 / 31%
3. Not sure - Wait and see 7 / 27%

Should we create and use a sytem which will rank players as proposed in another thread?

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Re: Should we create and use a system for ranking players? Mon, 29 March 2004 12:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kang is currently offline Kang

 
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Host responsibilities[ 23 votes ]
1. Host should not play in ranked games 7 / 30%
2. Host can play if 3rd party determines rankings 14 / 61%
3. Host can play and determine final rankings 2 / 9%

Should a host be allowed to play if the game is counted for rankings?

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Re: Should we create and use a system for ranking players? Mon, 29 March 2004 12:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kang is currently offline Kang

 
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Host requirements[ 25 votes ]
1. Host determines who advances/decreases in rank 3 / 12%
2. Host and 3rd party determine who advances/decreases in rank 8 / 32%
3. Preexisting rules determine advancement/decreases in rank 14 / 56%

Are we expecting too much from the host?

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Re: Should we create and use a system for ranking players? Mon, 29 March 2004 12:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kang is currently offline Kang

 
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Willing to host[ 24 votes ]
1. I do not host any games. 9 / 38%
2. I do/have hosted, and am willing to determine player rankings 5 / 21%
3. I dohost games but want someone else to detmine player rankings in my games 6 / 25%
4. I do host but will not host "Ranking" games 4 / 17%

If you host games, are you willing to determine advancement/decrement in rank of the players in your game?

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Re: Should we create and use a system for ranking players? Mon, 29 March 2004 12:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kang is currently offline Kang

 
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Player support[ 24 votes ]
1. I will seek out only ranked games, and will wait for these to be offered 0 / 0%
2. I will give preference to ranked games, but will play in non-ranked games if I can't find a ranked game 1 / 4%
3. I will play in any game that I find interesting, ranked or un-ranked 22 / 92%
4. I will give preference to non-ranked games 1 / 4%
5. I will only play in non-ranking games 0 / 0%

As a plyer will you look for ranked games?

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Re: Should we create and use a system for ranking players? Mon, 29 March 2004 12:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kang is currently offline Kang

 
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Game benefit[ 24 votes ]
1. Ranking players will improve the game 9 / 38%
2. Ranking players will not enhance or detract from the game 14 / 58%
3. Ranking players is detrimental to the game 1 / 4%

And now for the last question in this poll.....

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Re: Should we create and use a system for ranking players? Mon, 29 March 2004 12:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I notice that people gradually drop out as they see more and more polls Laughing

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Re: Should we create and use a system for ranking players? Mon, 29 March 2004 12:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kang is currently offline Kang

 
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I have followed the thread concerning player rank, and it is my impression that it has generated a lot of responses and many interested readers, but only a relatively few people have provided input as to whether or not we should do this.
It is my opinion that most believe the idea will die on the vine, but we cannot be sure so I made the questions in this thread to determine what the community really thinks of the idea. I hope it will allow us to move from a discussion of what this ranking system will do and move to a discussion of how to do it, or just drop the idea completely.

Work at computer
Oh, I just thought of another poll;

Please rank yourself. Laughing

I'll leave that to someone who has a better idea of what the ranking system should be. Twisted Evil

Kang


[Updated on: Mon, 29 March 2004 12:55]

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Re: Should we create and use a system for ranking players? Mon, 29 March 2004 12:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kang is currently offline Kang

 
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Staz wrote on Mon, 29 March 2004 10:51

I notice that people gradually drop out as they see more and more polls Laughing

Hit Computer
Actually I'm amazed at how fast people are voting.Scared I'm not even done typing all my polls and the answers
Yes No are already starting! Shocked 3

Kang

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icon2.gif  Re: Should we create and use a system for ranking players? Mon, 29 March 2004 13:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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An interesting series of questions.

The voting options do not completely cover my exact current opinion, so I voted "close" to what I thought, and will clarify a bit here.

I'm sort of indifferent to a ranking system.

I see the benefit of one in aiding hosts in creating games that match players of roughly equal skill together. And the players themselves might appreciate it as a way to "find themselves" in terms of their rough standing by skill within the community.

I also see a number of possible problems; most of these have been mentioned at one time or another in the long thread on the ranking system that is going on. In short, I think the game skill set is much too variable for a single number ranking. And it is also becoming clear that ranking results will be fairly subjective.

I think the creators are trying to address these issues, but have my doubts that it can be done in a simple manner.

The next two questions Kang proposed related to how the host will relate to the ranking system.

If the rankings are essentially host-driven than a host playing actively in a ranking game is a potential conflict of interest. Thus, the mention of using a neutral 3rd party to help with the process in these cases. The main issue here is what information is really needed to aid a host and/or 3rd party in making the judgement calls necessary for accurate rankings?

It's quite easy as an observer host to be oblivious to the diplomatic wranglings and maneuvering going on in a game. For a 3rd party things can easily be worse. Thus, beyond the obvious game results (score), how does one ascertain how well an also-ran race performed? Communications that the race made are an obvious place to look, but at what point does an also-ran get rewarded for being a good communicator and/or running a good PR campaign?

The last two questions are essentially cutting to the meat of the whole issue. Is the community on AH going to use a ranking system as players and/or as hosts?

As a player I view the ranking system as an additional feature of not that high of a value. I'm going to join/skip games depending on the interest the game set-up offers me, and whether I have the time available to properly play. Whether or not it's specifically a "ranking game" will not be an issue.

As a host I do not intend at this time to specifically earmark any new games as "ranking games" from the get-go. However, I will probably offer the players entering a game I host the option of voting to make a game a "ranking game" before it starts. (And if I get sufficient response for starting multiple games, then based on the results of said vote I may well end up with one game "ranking" and the other not.)

- Kurt

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Re: Should we create and use a system for ranking players? Mon, 29 March 2004 15:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kotk

 
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Ranking and rating. I do not find it being bad idea.
Certainly it does not spoil any fun?
It adds little long term virtual "bonus" to the winners and it takes quite little effort.
Only trouble i see with it is that someone has to do the bookkeeping. If he gets bored then the system may get abandoned.

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Re: Should we create and use a system for ranking players? Mon, 29 March 2004 19:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Crusader is currently offline Crusader

 
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Player support, I believe, says it all very eloquently. No matter how everything else pans out, we are all such an independently thinking bunch of ne'er-do-wells that support will only come about so long as we are each having fun.

If it becomes too much hassle ... Yuck Do Not Enter

Unfortunately, I don't see too many people willing to be "ranking hosts", which is going to put a crimp on things as well. I haven't read any clear directions on how the rankings will be determined in a clear and consistent manner, unless I've missed something on that thread. And it is obvious that the majority want a clear and consistent ranking system in place before the games begin. Having the host make subjective decisions at games end is just not a popular idea, if I'm reading these results correctly.

Understanding that my own opinion could well be coloring my interpretations. Multi bounce

But, whatever else this idea has done, it has sparked more interest than anything else in quite a while. For that reason alone, I support the public discussion of this idea for as long as it takes. I am willing to play in a ranking game for this reason. I'm willing to put up with a lot in order to promote Stars!

Including being called "tiger". Very Happy

The Crusader Angel



Nothing for now.

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Re: Should we create and use a system for ranking players? Tue, 30 March 2004 01:15 Go to previous message
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Crusader wrote on Mon, 29 March 2004 17:12

I am willing to play in a ranking game for this reason. I'm willing to put up with a lot in order to promote Stars!

Including being called "tiger". Very Happy

The Crusader Angel


Hey, Tiger, if it makes ya feel better, I'm thinking about making It's The Economy Stupid a ranked game (I'll ask the third party holding the passwords to do the ranking - btw, donjon, ya busy hosting all yer other stuff or can ya handle my game too, Yer Rankness?).

EDog



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