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| Re: Some answers about common MT questions... (long) |
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| mlaub wrote on Fri, 06 August 2004 07:20 |
Hmmmm...I didn't see anyone post this. Fairly certain it is accurate.
M.T. Tech levels
Minerals in kt
Tech Levels 5k 6.2k 7.4k 8.6k 9.8k
<60 +6 +7 +8 +9 +10
60-69 +5 +6 +7 +8 +9
70-79 +4 +5 +6 +7 +8
80-89 +3 +4 +5 +6 +7
90-99 +2 +3 +4 +5 +6
100-109 +1 +2 +3 +4 +5
110-119 0 +1 +2 +3 +4
120-129 0 0 +1 +2 +3
130-139 0 0 0 +1 +2
140-149 0 0 0 0 +1
150+ 0 0 0 0 0
-Matt
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deleted some stupid comment about this already discussed numbers (edited)
Robert
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| Re: How often does an MT appear ? |
Sun, 31 July 2005 07:44 |
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| PricklyPea wrote on Wed, 01 June 2005 23:04 |
Disclaimer: based on what I remember of looking at the code.
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>Does it take into account your racial tech costs?
Yes.
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Did some more testing on that with a race that had 3 cheap and 3 expensive. Result seems totally random, in one case from 10 Levels I got 6 times Electronics, rest distributed over other fields. From 2cheap and8 expensive to 6cheap and 3 expensive everything is possible and when I sum up everything it seems a _bit_ more likely that you gain an expensive level, but really minimal...
Also sometimes I got what I had much of anyway, sometimes I got what I had only few of - so you cant predict that the MT will fill up your low levels first, or the expensive ones...
This brings us to the next discussion:
When you see an MT coming towards you, and the score shows someone took it and gained techlevels, and you decide to push your research, do you go for the cheap levels or the expensive ones first???
Resourcewise one should research some lower expensive levels first IMO to make best of the MT levels... but well, maybe one should research the important field (weap) and hope for a push there???
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| Re: Some answers about common MT questions... (long) |
Tue, 11 April 2006 16:32 |
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I see early in this thread the assertion that if an item MT is giving an item you already have you will get nothing for trading. Someone else, not in the thread, has asserted that if you already have the item you will get tech, and so should treat that MT as a tech MT. Can I get a definitive ruling on this question?
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| Re: Some answers about common MT questions... (long) |
Tue, 11 April 2006 16:59 |
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| vonKreedon wrote on Tue, 11 April 2006 22:32 |
I see early in this thread the assertion that if an item MT is giving an item you already have you will get nothing for trading. Someone else, not in the thread, has asserted that if you already have the item you will get tech, and so should treat that MT as a tech MT. Can I get a definitive ruling on this question?
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=> The MT FAQ thread
But, generally speaking, you'll get another "toy" if you already have the one the MT is offering.
It can also, however, occur that you'll get nothing at all in this case (just a a hole in your pocket where minerals were!  ), but as far as I know the exact circumstances are not completely understood - most likely stars! will try giving you other MT toys some number of times before giving up and giving you nothing at all.
As far as I know, it will *never* switch to giving you tech or ships if it initially wanted to give you a "toy".
EDIT: OK, I was obviously mistaken about this being stated 100% clearly in the MT thread, I was just looking now for linking purposes  There are also varying opinions in that thread about what happends when the toy-MT wants to give you something that you already have... so buh. I guess that means your no wiser now than you were before, since I make no claim to being any kind of paticular authority on this (I've never examined it closely myself, I was just going on memories). So sorry, not much help there *sigh* 
It does seem fairly clear though that you can't *count* on it being a tech-MT. In your situation, I'd be inclined to send a 5000kT fleet to him and hope for the best  Oh, and report your results! 
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Michael "Wumpus" Zinn
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| Re: Some answers about common MT questions... (long) |
Wed, 12 April 2006 00:59 |
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| Madman wrote on Wed, 12 April 2006 06:39 |
| wumpus wrote on Wed, 12 April 2006 08:59 |
As far as I know, it will *never* switch to giving you tech or ships if it initially wanted to give you a "toy".
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I've got a counterexample to that.
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Remarkable.. I remembered later last night where I had gotten the idea from in the first place, namely from when I was working out how to decode the MT "structure" in the HST file, and thus doing a lot of MT-meeting. Hmmmm "Curiouser and curiouser".
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I was playing in a duel recently when two MTs turned up on successive turns. Both of us got to both of them, and both of us got the MPS on the first one, tech on the second.
The thing was that we'd got to them in opposite orders, so they must have both been toy traders, that then both switched to tech when we already had the toy.
I still have all the turn files somewhere if you are interested in seeing for yourself.
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Do you have the files for both players? .o.oO Either way, though, it'd be very useful to see, yes. I got Robert's files from the "random" MT mentioned in the main MT thread, but only had the one turn from them, so they were suggestive at best, but not terribly conclusive.
OfC if you had the HST files that'd be brilliant, but I imagine this was on autohost?
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| Re: Some answers about common MT questions... (long) |
Wed, 12 April 2006 02:15 |
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| wumpus wrote on Wed, 12 April 2006 16:59 |
Do you have the files for both players? .o.oO Either way, though, it'd be very useful to see, yes. I got Robert's files from the "random" MT mentioned in the main MT thread, but only had the one turn from them, so they were suggestive at best, but not terribly conclusive.
OfC if you had the HST files that'd be brilliant, but I imagine this was on autohost?
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Nope it was a duel, so I was hosting. I have all the files for both sides and the host file. I'll see if I can create a zipfile of all the relevant turns small enough to PM (or PM me your email).
Perhaps I should go check both sets of turns first (we swapped passwords at the end of the game) to see if I haven't just made an idiot of myself.
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| Re: Some answers about common MT questions... (long) |
Fri, 14 April 2006 10:23 |
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| Madman wrote on Wed, 12 April 2006 15:39 |
I've just sent about half a megabyte of game files to Wumpus where two MTs had the same part and gave techs second, so hopefully that will give a definitive answer.
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Oh, I took it as a given that what you (and others) reported was true I just wanted to see if the MTs listed in the file matched up with what I had seen so far, or whether there was anything unexpected.
But, no... the two MTs are indeed set to trade the MPS... and there is nothing that strikes me about this one to set it apart from Robert's "random MT" or any of the other "usual" ones I've seen. Looks like a renewed series of tests might be called for, but not sure when I'll get to that... I'll try and remember to store the data somewhere this time so that it can be re-analysed by others or should it later seem like some data that seems irrelevant now, actually maybe *is* important.
Hmmmmmm
I'm still sticking by my assertion that the you won't *always* get tech if you already have the toy an MT is trading... but maybe there are circumstances that aren't apparent yet where this *is* true, hmphm. If nothing else, Robert's data bears this out... *sigh* that MT really is 'M' ;P
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