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Mon, 22 December 2003 20:04   |
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 alexdstewart |
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| zoid wrote on Mon, 22 December 2003 19:12 |
Alexdstewart, that was the funniest and most twisted diatribe I have ever heard! Man, this thread is like the Twilight Zone! (Dee nee nee nee, dee nee nee nee...) I actually DID bust a gut laughing. 
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Well I am glad that the dark shadows inside my soul are so entertaining...  Thanks.
I learned long time ago that it is useless to to try to change someones mind if it set, no matter how reliable facts are and how impecable arguments become. My goal is not thus, my intention is to sow a shadow of doubt in the souls of other people, (so that they can join the DARKSIDE when the time comes Whoa ha ha ha!).
There is a saying: The road to hell is paved with good intentions. There could never be any justification for agressive war, no matter the motives. Wise people battle the evil withing themselves, foolish people seek to destroy evil in others- it is both easier and more interesting this way. It is evil that that the Nazis found in Jews, Slavs + Gypsies, it is evil that noble Crusaders 've found in Arabs, it is evil that Stalin and Co 've found in "enemies of the state".... It is evil that CEO George W Bush has found in terrorists and Saddam Hussein. It is evil than was found in the communist threat.
I only wish to live in peace, I strive to be free and I REFUSE to blindly follow the herd to yet another slaughter. Democracy is of no use if you are brainwashed. It is useless to fight evil- it is like fighting shadows in the night. Man IS EVIL, by nature and you can either use this to your advantage or shrivel and die. This is the irony of history. This is our fate...
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| Re: External Poll: WWII |
Tue, 23 December 2003 18:39 |
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| EDog |
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| alexdstewart wrote on Mon, 22 December 2003 18:03 |
I only wish to live in peace, I strive to be free and I REFUSE to blindly follow the herd to yet another slaughter. Democracy is of no use if you are brainwashed. It is useless to fight evil- it is like fighting shadows in the night. Man IS EVIL, by nature and you can either use this to your advantage or shrivel and die. This is the irony of history. This is our fate...
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I find this a very interesting statement from someone whose outlook on the future is so obviously grim. Even your signature quote says that "in the future there is only WAR and our extinction is assured" or something very close to it.
That philosophy is diametrically opposed to you "only wishing to live in peace." If you wish to live in peace, you should strive for peace in everything you do. Preach peace. Do peaceful things. Believing that the human race is doomed to extinction is a very, very pessimistic outlook. Why bother being peaceful if our future as a race is predetermined?
I do not believe mankind is inherently evil. I'm not a religious person, but I believe evil comes from not actions themselves, but the intention behind the actions. The intentions of the terrorists on 9/11/01 were to kill as many Americans as possible, making a statement that even the great titan of the world was not untouchable. Those intentions were evil. I am, and tend to vote, Republican, but I did not believe that the U.S. attacked Iraq because of WMD. I believe that the ultimate reason for attacking Iraq was to remove a dictator who was every bit as ruthless and amoral in his actions as Adolf Hitler. Yes, we have economic interests in Iraq. Yes, Bush Jr. wanted revenge against the man who thumbed his nose at his father ten years ago. Yes, we supported Hussein years ago when Iran was holding Americans hostages and making threats to our security. Countries change, and regimes change. Thirty years ago the Civil Rights movement changed the face of politics in America.
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| Re: External Poll: WWII |
Tue, 23 December 2003 20:51 |
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| alexdstewart |
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I also believe that mankind has a future, a bright future. But as an engeneer I tend to think long term- millions of years in the future. All species become extinct or become something else, or many more something else. Yes, humans have survivability better than that of roaches and it will take more than a total nuclear war to exterminate Us. But it is just a matter of time before we'll start modifying ourselves to fight and to survive better- we will have become something else,- and that something else is NOT human, therefore will will have become extinct.
As I said before, I find the concept of good and evil totally incapable of adequately describing the world. This does not mean that I see the world in the shades of grey. I see the world in colour vision! The multitude of complexity of the real world dwarfs the pathetic attemps to devide the world into "good" guys and "bad" guys. I do not see the USA as inherently evil, I see it as selfish, agressive, xpansionist, scientific, cultural, benevolent, progressive, beurocratic, hypocretecal, arrogant. Thus was the Roman Empire before it was crushed by its enemies. America is strong, BUT the WORLD is stronger. And in this universe MIGHT is RIGHT. I see the fortress America being surrounded by enemies largely of its own making. And those enemies are already stronger than it.
People of Russian Federation were awed by the cultural achievement of American people in 1990's, given opportunity they would have defected to US, as I am sure would many people around the world. Not now, after experiencing full well the American "friendship", many are eager to revenge. This is the story around the world.
It makes my heart break how many people do not understand life's simple truths:
I. The road to Hell is paved with GOOD intentions.
II. Wise people battle evil within themselves, while foolish people battle evil in others.
III. For every big stick there is always a bigger one. (if you don't belive this one, attack all others in
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| Re: External Poll: WWII |
Tue, 23 December 2003 21:22 |
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| alexdstewart |
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| EDog wrote on Tue, 23 December 2003 18:39 |
[If we were truly the evil country that Alexdstewart seems to think we are, why aren't we bulldozing mass graves and piling civilian bodies into them?
Merry Christmas!
EDog
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Sigh... You are. The Unites States Goverment has routinely overthrown elected goverments throughout the world, and installed repressive regimes while supporting them WHILE they were committing horrendous crimes against humanity. At very least US is guilty of complacency,- AT VERY LEAST. US did not support ONLY while Iran threatened US. The Kurds were gassed with AMERICAN gas, people who did it were trained by AMERICAN agents. It was America that endorced idiotic Hussein into attacking Iran (because of communists) and Kuwait (US won't interfere if you attack Kuwait message). Complacency is enough in a court of law to put someone in jail for a very long time.
Has everyone foggotten the nuclear burned people of Hirosima and Nagasaki, what of the agent ORANGE and Napalm in Vietnam? Why are they conviniently forgotten? Are they not humans, are they not your brothers and sisters?
I wish everyone a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
May the spirit of peace decend on our troubled land.
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| Re: External Poll: WWII |
Tue, 23 December 2003 23:45 |
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| alexdstewart wrote on Mon, 22 December 2003 19:19 |
I tried only to give selected facts in an arrenged order, so that they can speak for themselves- every single fact I wrote is true and I can back up the truthfulness of them- I can even give exact sources and references. You can dispute my interpretation, but you cannot dispute the facts themselves.
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Hehe...this recalled to my mind the title of a book a teacher of mine had, it was something like: "Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics"
The book, or at least how much I read of it (the first 10 pages), merely pointed some obvious false ways that statistics are stated. The title is more what I wanted to bring up, it shows that statistics (and facts) can be used to support and prove anything.
Just something to think about.
"Facts are the enemy of truth."
- Don Quixote - "Man of La Mancha"
Edit: Merry Christmas all, and keep in mind the reason for the holiday, Christ.
[Updated on: Tue, 23 December 2003 23:47]
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